why such huge veneration of science?

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Apart from the bit where she shakes her bum in that uber mini school skirt that screams Do It To Me One More Time...

And by the way, it is always helpful to have a full definition of what is discussed before a topic is discussed as minute parts of the topic may be explored with other important parts of the topic as commonly defined left out.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

The specific aspect of science that is often focused on in this forum is the scientific method but there is much more to the definition of science than THAT.

To better understand the biomechanics of dance, information that can help make dance training safer.




The physical forces that certain dance moves exert on certain joints
http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.iadms.org/ ... Wilson.pdf

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 007-0001-z


I don't know. Dance companies can use the information to help prevent injuries, which would save money lost to injuries, but I don't know how much money any given dance company or dancer loses to injuries.



That would be a completely different field study, independent of the study of dance.

Well, as science now indicates with the study of our closest primate cousin, the FREE AND wild PEACEFUL LOVING BONOBO, WE as human beings SHARE THE KIND OF EMPATHY THAT THEY DO IN FREE-STYLE SEXUAL matriarchal leaning PRACTICES of INNATE PRIMATE culture in action, against, the previously held scientific conception of our closest primate ancestors as the aggressive chimpanzee alpha practicing patriarchal ways of violent innate primate culture.

So Ms. XcX is POTENTiAlly just showing her wild side in shaking her rear, like her Bonobo cousins do freely with members of both sexes to regulate violence with passion of pleasure. And yeah, the male Bonobos do it too, using parts of their body swording them around with each other just for fun, and to diffuse potential aggressive behavior.

It works for Bonobos in their cultural ways of practice in living, and perhaps it is FREELY ACCESSIBLE VIRTUAL living PORNOGRAPHY THAT, IN PART, is potentially why crime is down, overall, IN the U.S., since it became widely available in the 90's ONLINE about the time the decline of crime in the U.S. started.

Of course there are other variables at play, but generally speaking this is the funnest part of that play. ;)

And truly in the dance halls of today human behavior is going back to that as females NOW are INCREASINGLY rubbing up WITH EACH OTHER together like that per their Bonobo Cousins of the present in maintaining alliances from potential UNWANTED aggressor stronger loner males OR groups of unwanted males in smaller numbers.

Yeah, like I said, I frigging love science too, and I practice that wherever I go too in fun and play alike as a participant observer Anthropologist just for fun! And Oh MY GOD this kinda Anthropology is ALL KINDS OF FUN. :)

That's old school BUT thanks for asking, as I was hoping you would.

What I am talking about is the same kind of benefit one sees in Eastern Philosophies of movement 'medicine' like TAI CHI and the way our so-called primitive Ancestors used to dance to connect to Mother Nature True aka GOD.

But yeah, science is starting to get a grasp, as science now shows that just listening to electronic rave dance music CAN raise levels of Human Growth Hormone per growing all types of human body parts like skin, bones, ligaments, and brain neurons.

And yes, I have the evidence for that in irrefutable style both in the form of my body, and in physical empirical measured effort, as just after 9 months of WEEKLY rave dancing the physical strength of my legs went from lifting around 500LBS to now 830LBS, with NO other training aspect changed.

Just once a week for around 3 to 4 hours is all it took and Now I have documented evidence of the 'fountain of youth'.

But haha! it will not likely work if one drinks alcohol while one does it.

I am probably one of the few anywhere who does it TOTALLY SOBER. ;)

AND NOT only that there is some evidence that the act (rave dancing) actually raises natural levels of DMT aka the GOD molecule or Spirit molecule that our so-called primitive ancestors used as derivative of the Sassafras root and folks use today as synthesized forms of the street drug named Molly that can be very dangerous, by the way.

So wow, a potential 'direct conduit with GOD' and the 'fountain of youth', all in ONE ACT OF RAVE DANCE.

YEAH, CHARLIE XcS is brilliant in a way of human being that most scientists cannot fathom that currently and in our so-called primitive uncivilized human past already likely exist(s).

I already have the PROOF DOCUMENTED AS SUCH, AS EVIDENCE TOO, IN MY OWN SCIENCE PROJECT ON A CASE STUDY BASIS.

AND YEAH, IF I CAN DO WHAT Charlie XcX does now, at my age of 54, she can too, IN HER DISTANT FUTURE TOO, if SHE DOES NOT FALL TO THE CULTURAL ILLUSIONS THAT are currently driven by material reductionists, including scientists.

I don't think you understand Janissy's point.

Painting is a process. The outcome of painting is art.
Science is a process. The outcome of science is answers.

With many areas of science, there is no reason to believe that our current understanding might not be correct. If evidence does arise that, for example, the 2nd law of thermodynamics is wrong, then I am sure the scientific consensus will change to reflect that.

You set up people who did not do good science as proof that science is inherently bad. That is, frankly, ludicrous. I may as well say that all literature is bad because Katie Price wrote a book. Science is the best method we have of challenging orthodoxy, and indeed, finding out what is real.

Monarchy would work if kings would just behave themselves.
Lynch mobs would be fair if people always told the truth.
Deregulated markets would work if people never cheated.

Do we separate the process from the outcome?

I agree that scientists have served us well, but I think that you give to much credit to the academic system and too little to the discipline of the people who built it. I don't believe that peer-review will save sloppy people from themselves.

I don't really see your point.

If post-publication peer review can't find fault in a paper, and it coincides with the consensus, then nobody needs to be saved. Even if they got lucky, what they found is indistinguishable from the truth.

If you have a better system for getting at the truth than the rest of the world trying to pick holes in an idea, then I would like to hear it.

I know! Let's have the truth determined by popular vote!

All those in favor of rescinding the Laws of Gravity signify by saying "Aye"!

The religious right figures they can do that with evolution and the geologic age of the earth. Just think how they've elected science deniers to school boards and to higher office in order to stop the "godless blight of science.

Yes but we DO have television now, so science should just stop and let us watch it.
That's what Jesus would do. He's left us alone for two thousand years, he's no busybody -always making us learn new-fangled things.

No one person knows everything about science so if anybody wants to know something in a different field they have to go and learn and such. And take tests which are not only reeeeally haaaard and take boring "work," but also tests make people make mistakes (who get 100% always?) which makes them feel stoopid and hurts their self-esteem and probably causes suicide even if there's no studies done on it and who would believe them anyway?
Believing the One and Only Truth prevents all this!
With Jesus we can always be 100% right, even while watching TV!

It's greedy colleges that try to say we need to learn things all the time and then they judge us!
Tuition is far higher than Tithe.


Science needs to just stop, it's good enough for now.

Were I a scientist, I would enjoy two things.

The first thing would be piecing together the jigsaw of a problem. And just like a jigsaw, each piece would be a pleasure to find. Once the jigsaw was finished, it would be nice to see the whole picture, but putting it together was where the pleasure was.

The second thing I would enjoy would be the almost meditative part of sweeping away the dust. Like when archeologists spend hours brushing away the sand or dirt to expose an artifact.

But even as a lay person, I've done the same things in other careers. In IT, I've slowly pieced together a network, with all its permission layers, firewalls, protocols etc. The finished network is a good thing, but piecing together each detail is where the pleasure was. And then, cleaning up, literally, is almost meditative. Clipped bits of cables, screws, cable tidies, untidy data storage, furniture that's been moved, sweeping up with a broom and all that.

In a sense, the practice of science is a fulfillment of an individual's needs at a stimulus level, just as any job or hobby can be.

That's not worship. That's enjoying what you do.
And that enjoyment can be a passion and can also be infectious.

Staying in character
I salute you

If we went that way, we would still have low resolution, black and white, tube based television.


We each have different gifts and talents. Would you hold back an Einstein type of person from enjoying what he does? One man will be good at intellectual things. Another man will be good at looking after animals. And another will be good at running an orchard. If you find tests hard and the work boring, it's not because you're stupid. It's because you have different interests. Don't feel stupid about the things that bore you. It's the things you love that make you feel good.


That's a different thing.


I agree. Education these days is mostly for the smart students who don't have personal issues. For 6 years, I taught students who had lots of personal issues. Those students and their issues are mostly ignored by the system. Politicians throw a little money at what they think are solutions, without understanding how little that helps. Students came into my class with low self-belief - capable students who didn't believe they were capable. But because of how the school system is organized, many of those students will leave school without realizing their true abilities - frozen in the numbness of their circumstances.


No. It's not science that needs to change. It's the Darwinian education system where only the fittest survive. If science stopped once a thing was invented, the only keyboard you would be using now would be on a simple calculator.

People can watch porn on the internet therefore everything you just did was BAD!! And EVIL!!
And leads to the downfall of all of humanity!!
Plus it sounds like you take pride in your work and pride is BAD!! !

But that sweeping up bit sounds good, Cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Except in the dictionary, which was made by Science.

"Judgement" is part of why I left religion behind.