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14 Jan 2015, 10:35 am

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Not if you have a partner and started a family..that's a really good way to learn how to organize and manage...
Again, you associate maturity with experience and they are separate things. Maturity comes with age and helps you be responsible. If you are immature and given too much responsibility, it can be a recipe for failure.


So now people are supposed to wait until 40 to start a job and not only are they borrowing money against future earnings for themselves, they are borrowing enough to support children too? What a nightmare scenario for their future selves.

People borrow money against themselves all the time in the form of credit and most don't even make enough to live without it. They can't afford to take care of their basic needs. You are busy critiquing me but you offer no better alternatives. People always want to criticize others but they won't come up with anything else.



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14 Jan 2015, 11:53 am

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The economy is already taking a hit from millennials. They are the laziest, most entitled, underemployed generation in history. If anything, we should be disciplining young people more, not spoiling them.


Really? The laziest and most entitled? Unlike, say, the Boomers, who enjoyed an entire generation of comfort and prosperity, won by their parents and mortgaged on their children and grandchildren? The ones currently in political ascendency, and who've dictated policy for years now? Does the financial crisis ring a bell? Who do you think was responsible for that one, now?

Try again.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:08 pm

That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.
They had the idea it's not fun to be young and overworked and it's actually much more difficult for someone who hasn't got the maturity to have responsibility than for someone who is mature. With maturity, there is ease to organize and perform tasks without stressing or wigging or making huge mistakes then being all freaked out over them. I often wish I could be like I am now at 17 because I am sooooo much more together than I was then. Life would have been so much easier for me. I didn't get it together because of any responsibility or experience. My brain just grew up and it took time. You can demonize me all you want for that but it won't change the fact the only antidote for my incompetence was time itself.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:18 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not if you have a partner and started a family..that's a really good way to learn how to organize and manage...
Again, you associate maturity with experience and they are separate things. Maturity comes with age and helps you be responsible. If you are immature and given too much responsibility, it can be a recipe for failure.


So now people are supposed to wait until 40 to start a job and not only are they borrowing money against future earnings for themselves, they are borrowing enough to support children too? What a nightmare scenario for their future selves.

People borrow money against themselves all the time in the form of credit and most don't even make enough to live without it. They can't afford to take care of their basic needs. You are busy critiquing me but you offer no better alternatives. People always want to criticize others but they won't come up with anything else.


We already have something else and it works orders of magnitudes better than what you are suggesting could possibly work.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:20 pm

eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Janissy wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not if you have a partner and started a family..that's a really good way to learn how to organize and manage...
Again, you associate maturity with experience and they are separate things. Maturity comes with age and helps you be responsible. If you are immature and given too much responsibility, it can be a recipe for failure.


So now people are supposed to wait until 40 to start a job and not only are they borrowing money against future earnings for themselves, they are borrowing enough to support children too? What a nightmare scenario for their future selves.

People borrow money against themselves all the time in the form of credit and most don't even make enough to live without it. They can't afford to take care of their basic needs. You are busy critiquing me but you offer no better alternatives. People always want to criticize others but they won't come up with anything else.


We already have something else and it works orders of magnitudes better than what you are suggesting could possibly work.

Uh, that's only your opinion but you are entitled to it and I am, mine.

Meanwhile we have people living on credit, struggling to pay their bills, living paycheck to paycheck with nothing saved, younger workers pitted against the older ones, older people who cannot afford basic necessities, more talk about social security failing every year. Yeah sounds like what we have now is positively perfection.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:21 pm

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That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:26 pm

eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly. The thing with the hippies, like any youth movement, most people grow out of it to some extent and figure out what they must do to survive while a few stragglers remain the same for their entire lives and never really figure it out. So it seems like a small minority because a lot of them weren't hardcore hippies that long. They eventually discovered it wasn't very much fun unbathed, drugged out with no money all the time and the threshold became crossed and many of them decided it wasn't for them.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:43 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly.


They were.

There were some places where they would congregate such as some universities and in some cities such as San Francisco, California and Taos, New Mexico. If you spent all your time in those places, you might think that there were more than there really were.

In the vast majority of towns and cities around the country, you would likely never see a hippie except on tv. I don't know if I ever saw any real hippies at all back then.

Keep in mind that the haircuts and popular attire at the time was worn by far more than just the hippies.

By the way, Timothy Leary was associated with LSD, not marijuana.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:50 pm

eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly.


They were.

There were some places where they would congregate such as some universities and in some cities such as San Francisco, California and Taos, New Mexico. If you spent all your time in those places, you might think that there were more than there really were.

In the vast majority of towns and cities around the country, you would likely never see a hippie except on tv. I don't know if I ever saw any real hippies at all back then.

Keep in mind that the haircuts and popular attire at the time was worn by far more than just the hippies.

By the way, Timothy Leary was associated with LSD, not marijuana.


I disagree. The rock music industry, which was largely founded and became what it was because of Boomers and Hippies says different. It was very lucrative and it pretty much became this huge industry due to the Hippies and counter culture. This suggests it was indeed quite a widespread movement, and especially around college campuses all over the US and in parts of Europe.

Before the sixties and seventies, rock music existed but it wasn't as lucrative and you didn't see those screaming fans in quite as great a number. The Beatles became hippies at one point. It was quite the fashion to be a hippy.



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14 Jan 2015, 12:57 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly.


They were.

There were some places where they would congregate such as some universities and in some cities such as San Francisco, California and Taos, New Mexico. If you spent all your time in those places, you might think that there were more than there really were.

In the vast majority of towns and cities around the country, you would likely never see a hippie except on tv. I don't know if I ever saw any real hippies at all back then.

Keep in mind that the haircuts and popular attire at the time was worn by far more than just the hippies.

By the way, Timothy Leary was associated with LSD, not marijuana.


I disagree. The rock music industry, which was largely founded and became what it was because of Boomers and Hippies says different. It was very lucrative and it pretty much became this huge industry due to the Hippies and counter culture. This suggests it was indeed quite a widespread movement, and especially around college campuses all over the US and in parts of Europe.

Before the sixties and seventies, rock music existed but it wasn't as lucrative and you didn't see those screaming fans in quite as great a number. The Beatles became hippies at one point. It was quite the fashion to be a hippy.



I understand it now. All you know about hippies is from tv.

If rock music depended on hippies to survive, it would never have existed.



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14 Jan 2015, 1:02 pm

eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly.


They were.

There were some places where they would congregate such as some universities and in some cities such as San Francisco, California and Taos, New Mexico. If you spent all your time in those places, you might think that there were more than there really were.

In the vast majority of towns and cities around the country, you would likely never see a hippie except on tv. I don't know if I ever saw any real hippies at all back then.

Keep in mind that the haircuts and popular attire at the time was worn by far more than just the hippies.

By the way, Timothy Leary was associated with LSD, not marijuana.


I disagree. The rock music industry, which was largely founded and became what it was because of Boomers and Hippies says different. It was very lucrative and it pretty much became this huge industry due to the Hippies and counter culture. This suggests it was indeed quite a widespread movement, and especially around college campuses all over the US and in parts of Europe.

Before the sixties and seventies, rock music existed but it wasn't as lucrative and you didn't see those screaming fans in quite as great a number. The Beatles became hippies at one point. It was quite the fashion to be a hippy.



I understand it now. All you know about hippies is from tv.

If rock music depended on hippies to survive, it would never have existed.

And that's why so many people in the audience had long hair, flairs, smoked weed? Because not that many hippies were in their audience? Just a small amount and a lot of clean cut kids?
Most the clean cut ones didn't show up at rock concerts. Dunno how many bought records. There were multitudes of long haired pot smokers at concerts that much is true. I went to concerts as a teen, though the hippies were before my time, and there was pot smoke in every nook and cranny and it used to give me migraines, lol. So yeah, a lot of people were clutching those hippy ideals decades after.

And most the people at the arenas were teenagers and young adults so it was pretty much a youth thing. I didn't see any older hippies there, so I guess they either didn't like the newer bands much or they were busy going to see the older ones...

My guess is they might have been saving up their money for Willie Nelson.

My point is, many people do grow out of it so it only looks like a small amount when really it's just a lot of young people but it's a good amount of that demographic, get what I am saying?

Are you one of those people who believes hardly anyone likes Lady Gaga?



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14 Jan 2015, 1:10 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's right, the Boomers pretty much said "turn on, tune in and drop out" in the immortal words of their icon, Timothy Leary and a lot of them spent their young adulthood smoking weed while dissing authority.


The hippies were actually a very small minority.

Not exactly.


They were.

There were some places where they would congregate such as some universities and in some cities such as San Francisco, California and Taos, New Mexico. If you spent all your time in those places, you might think that there were more than there really were.

In the vast majority of towns and cities around the country, you would likely never see a hippie except on tv. I don't know if I ever saw any real hippies at all back then.

Keep in mind that the haircuts and popular attire at the time was worn by far more than just the hippies.

By the way, Timothy Leary was associated with LSD, not marijuana.


I disagree. The rock music industry, which was largely founded and became what it was because of Boomers and Hippies says different. It was very lucrative and it pretty much became this huge industry due to the Hippies and counter culture. This suggests it was indeed quite a widespread movement, and especially around college campuses all over the US and in parts of Europe.

Before the sixties and seventies, rock music existed but it wasn't as lucrative and you didn't see those screaming fans in quite as great a number. The Beatles became hippies at one point. It was quite the fashion to be a hippy.



I understand it now. All you know about hippies is from tv.

If rock music depended on hippies to survive, it would never have existed.

And that's why so many people in the audience had long hair, flairs, smoked weed? Because not that many hippies were in their audience? Just a small amount and a lot of clean cut kids?
Most the clean cut ones didn't show up at rock concerts. Dunno how many bought records. There were multitudes of long haired pot smokers at concerts that much is true. I went to concerts as a teen, though the hippies were before my time, and there was pot smoke in every nook and cranny and it used to give me migraines, lol. So yeah, a lot of people were clutching those hippy ideals decades after.

And most the people at the arenas were teenagers and young adults so it was pretty much a youth thing. I didn't see any older hippies there, so I guess they either didn't like the newer bands much or they were busy going to see the older ones...

My point is, many people do grow out of it so it only looks like a small amount when really it's just a lot of young people but it's a good amount of that demographic, get what I am saying?

Are you one of those people who believes hardly anyone likes Lady Gaga?


Wearing bell bottoms and sandals and having long hair did not make one a hippie.



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14 Jan 2015, 1:14 pm

There are still hippies today.

One of them in Austin ran for governor a few years ago. He said that he wasn't going to start campaigning until shortly before the election because as he put it (from memory) "anyone who would vote for me doesn't have much in the way of long term memory".



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14 Jan 2015, 1:14 pm

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Wearing bell bottoms and sandals and having long hair did not make one a hippie.

Well, uh, it's a good start...along with all that stench of 10,000 marijuana cigarettes all lit at once... 8O



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14 Jan 2015, 1:16 pm

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There are still hippies today.

One of them in Austin ran for governor a few years ago. He said that he wasn't going to start campaigning until shortly before the election because as he put it (from memory) "anyone who would vote for me doesn't have much in the way of long term memory".

Haha and of course Willie Nelson's one of the most famous ones! He draws a good crowd.



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14 Jan 2015, 1:27 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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There are still hippies today.

One of them in Austin ran for governor a few years ago. He said that he wasn't going to start campaigning until shortly before the election because as he put it (from memory) "anyone who would vote for me doesn't have much in the way of long term memory".

Haha and of course Willie Nelson's one of the most famous ones! He draws a good crowd.


I'd hardly consider WIllie Nelson to be a hippie.

If you had said The Mamas and The Papas, I would have agreed with you. Willie Nelson is a hard working musician. He smokes dope (I assume he still does in spite of many years of health problems), but he is a very hard working musician.