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Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?
Hillary Clinton 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Bernie Sanders 57%  57%  [ 31 ]
Joe Biden 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jim Webb 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Martin O'Malley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lincoln Chafee 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Not voting Democrat 35%  35%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 54

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18 Aug 2015, 3:08 am

it is still all about the lesser of two evils, voting defensively. for me, even the most uninspiring democrat is still a less dangerous choice than any GOPer.



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18 Aug 2015, 8:23 am

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This one ranks the US 1st followed by Canada

http://thegedi.org/research/gedi-index/


Numero uno here again:
http://thegedi.org/countries

And I was talking about entrepreneurialism, not which country hands out the most welfare. In that case we would be lacking but so what?

Those are the same list.

The GEDI list is based on "entrepreneurial attitudes, aspirations, and activity". The Oracle one looks at "factors such as “perception of entrepreneurs”, “attitude to risks involved in starting a new venture”, “fear of failure”, “willingness to risk personal finance” and “national levels of entrepreneurial activity”, amongst others".

You said "More poor people have become rich here than anywhere else". That's obviously talking about social mobility. Orwell showed that wasn't true. All you did was show that people in the USA want to be rich, not that they succeed.



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18 Aug 2015, 10:01 pm

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You said "More poor people have become rich here than anywhere else". That's obviously talking about social mobility. Orwell showed that wasn't true. All you did was show that people in the USA want to be rich, not that they succeed.

To expand on that: the obvious way to measure whether Raptor's statement was true is to check whether a large proportion of people who start out poor become rich. This is a topic that's well studied, by Corak for one, though there are also studied conducted by other researchers and several governmental agencies.

This isn't even debatable, Raptor: you are full of s**t. If you are born poor in America, odds are you remain poor. Not so in most developed nations, where you do have an opportunity to get rich even if you start poor.


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18 Aug 2015, 10:22 pm

I think a lot of poor people would be grateful just to be not poor and have a living wage.


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18 Aug 2015, 10:41 pm

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I think a lot of poor people would be grateful just to be not poor and have a living wage.

but too many richer folk can't live without the poorer as a scapegoat, to use as a convenient boogieman/cattleprod for the middle class, carrot-and-stick-style. too many Richie Riches see the poor like the morlocks saw the eloi, as subhuman and disposable.



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19 Aug 2015, 12:40 am

auntblabby wrote:
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I think a lot of poor people would be grateful just to be not poor and have a living wage.

but too many richer folk can't live without the poorer as a scapegoat, to use as a convenient boogieman/cattleprod for the middle class, carrot-and-stick-style. too many Richie Riches see the poor like the morlocks saw the eloi, as subhuman and disposable.


John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade."

When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."


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19 Aug 2015, 1:09 am

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John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade." When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."

at least with this particular fascist pig you know where you stand. I can respect his candor, even as his cold-bloody-mindedness disgusts me. the worst part about many righties is that they will not show such candor to outsiders.



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19 Aug 2015, 1:18 am

auntblabby wrote:
justkillingtime wrote:
John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade." When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."

at least with this particular fascist pig you know where you stand. I can respect his candor, even as his cold-bloody-mindedness disgusts me. the worst part about many righties is that they will not show such candor to outsiders.


I suspect I'd be one of those who'd he'd let "wither and die."


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19 Aug 2015, 1:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
justkillingtime wrote:
John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade." When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."

at least with this particular fascist pig you know where you stand. I can respect his candor, even as his cold-bloody-mindedness disgusts me. the worst part about many righties is that they will not show such candor to outsiders.


I suspect I'd be one of those who'd he'd let "wither and die."

also, myself for sure. I can't make money for anybody so I am, in this fascist pig's view, just "a useless eater." these people worship at the altar of money, and the love of money is the root of all evil.



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19 Aug 2015, 1:24 am

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Bernie is probably the most honest person running for the White House in either party, and that means something when you've got candidates on either side trying to appear hazy on the facts, or out-and-out contradict former stances. That, and I believe he sincerely cares about people left behind and flattened by the economic steam roller. He's got my vote.


So far from what I've heard he seems the most reasonable one to vote for...though it would be cool if he was just an independent or basically not affiliated with the democratic party, then again he'll probably have a better chance that way. Even so I will have to research this candidate myself before I come to any conclusion as to if I'd vote for him or not. lol in the poll already said 'not voting democrat' but I guess its more I won't vote for a candidate because they are a democrat.


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19 Aug 2015, 1:35 am

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What's perverted about caring for the needy?


Bernie Sanders idea of "caring for the needy" is to put his foot on your throat and demand money from you.

It's morally wrong.

And you are wrong, his "concern for needy people" is a smokescreen. Like most socialists he gets downright nasty if a company moves jobs to poorer countries that would greatly help the very poor there. He doesn't give a hoot about the very poor.

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Especially when many of those needy are children, or are idsabled.
And by the way, quite a few of those "non-earners" were working people left destitute by capitalism, which promises to make everyone rich, while cutting wages and benefits, and even outsourcing and cutting jobs. And that's all the while Carly what's-her'name, like other CEO failures like her, drove her company into the ground, yet got a golden parachute when fired. She didn't give any of the thousands of workers she fired any sort of parachute when she proverbially tossed them from the plane.

Capitalism doesn't make promises.


I don't know that exploiting people in 3rd world countries is the same thing as 'helping' them, and that is what a lot of major corporations do when they take jobs to poorer countries...its not about helping them its about using desperate people who will work for next to nothing to save a few bucks. Perhaps we need someone in office who will get nasty towards such corporations. Anyways though the economic inequality has to be addressed somehow, more and more people are qualifying for welfare programs,non-specialized jobs are decreasing, cost of living increasing, wages aren't increasing to keep up with it....ignoring those issues wont make them go away. Cutting all welfare and creating even more desperation among the poor isn't going to help the infastructure...trying to 'eradicate' the poor would surely bring all sorts of trouble for human rights violations maybe the wealthiest can afford to pay higher taxes or at the very least have less loopholes and ways to get out of paying them....better than the alternatives.


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19 Aug 2015, 2:05 am

auntblabby wrote:
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auntblabby wrote:
justkillingtime wrote:
John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade." When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."

at least with this particular fascist pig you know where you stand. I can respect his candor, even as his cold-bloody-mindedness disgusts me. the worst part about many righties is that they will not show such candor to outsiders.


I suspect I'd be one of those who'd he'd let "wither and die."

also, myself for sure. I can't make money for anybody so I am, in this fascist pig's view, just "a useless eater." these people worship at the altar of money, and the love of money is the root of all evil.


Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!


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19 Aug 2015, 2:23 am

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Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!

well, the problem is, that we have met the enemy, and he is us- it is the working class that for so many decades has not bothered to vote, that we are in an intractable situation now with gerrymandered voting districts that insure such fascist hemorrhoids are locked-in, secure from being voted out.



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19 Aug 2015, 3:14 am

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Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!

well, the problem is, that we have met the enemy, and he is us- it is the working class that for so many decades has not bothered to vote, that we are in an intractable situation now with gerrymandered voting districts that insure such fascist hemorrhoids are locked-in, secure from being voted out.


That, and too many of our class, for reasons based on prejudice, have been co opted into the right's voting machine. They want to differentiate themselves from those "eaters," or they have fallen for the bull sh*t us vs them, where the "other" are ethnic or sexual minorities who they are willing to be used as pawns against by their chess player masters.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!

well, the problem is, that we have met the enemy, and he is us- it is the working class that for so many decades has not bothered to vote, that we are in an intractable situation now with gerrymandered voting districts that insure such fascist hemorrhoids are locked-in, secure from being voted out.


That, and too many of our class, for reasons based on prejudice, have been co opted into the right's voting machine. They want to differentiate themselves from those "eaters," or they have fallen for the bull sh*t us vs them, where the "other" are ethnic or sexual minorities who they are willing to be used as pawns against by their chess player masters.

jay gould understood this Machiavellian playbook a century ago when he said "I can hire one half of the working class to kill off the other half." TPTB are playing the game of "divide and conquer" and us working class folks are largely oblivious to how we are being played.



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19 Aug 2015, 3:25 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!

well, the problem is, that we have met the enemy, and he is us- it is the working class that for so many decades has not bothered to vote, that we are in an intractable situation now with gerrymandered voting districts that insure such fascist hemorrhoids are locked-in, secure from being voted out.


That, and too many of our class, for reasons based on prejudice, have been co opted into the right's voting machine. They want to differentiate themselves from those "eaters," or they have fallen for the bull sh*t us vs them, where the "other" are ethnic or sexual minorities who they are willing to be used as pawns against by their chess player masters.

jay gould understood this Machiavellian playbook a century ago when he said "I can hire one half of the working class to kill off the other half." TPTB are playing the game of "divide and conquer" and us working class folks are largely oblivious to how we are being played.


I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.


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