Josh Duggar and Ashley Madison.
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He needs to come out of the closet, face paint and all.
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He needs to come out of the closet, face paint and all.
Come running out of the closet with dreadlocks and cleaver hoisted high above his head.
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He needs to come out of the closet, face paint and all.
Come running out of the closet with dreadlocks and cleaver hoisted high above his head.
If only he really would.
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I've been seeing news stories with headings like, The Sad Reason Anna Duggar Won't Leave Josh and everyone thinks she should and they keep admonishing her publically for not doing it but if you really think about it, the best thing she could do is NOT divorce him because if she did, he would just go marry a porn star and live happily ever after while she's stuck raising four kids on her own. She should definitely NOT give him a divorce.
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I don't think that's a reason to stay.
I'm pretty sure if she left him, the whole country would come behind her and raise enough money for her to raise her children. We would not only be supporting her, but supporting the idea of empowering women in general and allowing them to gain the education and skills they need to support themselves if the "unimaginable" happens. Which it did.
Leaving him, though, requires her to leave a lot of the beliefs she grew up with. Not necessarily the Christian faith altogether, but a very specific set of values that pertain to the sect she belongs to. It could cost her relationships with family, church, and even friends - basically her entire social network. It also would throw her into a world she is unprepared to enter.
I really wonder what is going through her mind. Does she see that the way she and Josh have been raised has left her vulnerable to his whims with very little or no recourse? Is she still buying into it, or does she see flaws in this system of belief?
I am generally "traditional" in my views of marriage, but I do think women need a way out if they get into a situation that is unbearable. To leave them without the education and skills to take care of themselves if they end up in an abusive situation is cruel. I would consider serial unfaithfulness a form of abuse - emotional abuse at best.
She has a lot to consider, the poor thing. This is an absolutely terrible situation, and happening in the public eye!
I don't think that's a reason to stay.
I'm pretty sure if she left him, the whole country would come behind her and raise enough money for her to raise her children. We would not only be supporting her, but supporting the idea of empowering women in general and allowing them to gain the education and skills they need to support themselves if the "unimaginable" happens. Which it did.
Leaving him, though, requires her to leave a lot of the beliefs she grew up with. Not necessarily the Christian faith altogether, but a very specific set of values that pertain to the sect she belongs to. It could cost her relationships with family, church, and even friends - basically her entire social network. It also would throw her into a world she is unprepared to enter.
I really wonder what is going through her mind. Does she see that the way she and Josh have been raised has left her vulnerable to his whims with very little or no recourse? Is she still buying into it, or does she see flaws in this system of belief?
I am generally "traditional" in my views of marriage, but I do think women need a way out if they get into a situation that is unbearable. To leave them without the education and skills to take care of themselves if they end up in an abusive situation is cruel. I would consider serial unfaithfulness a form of abuse - emotional abuse at best.
She has a lot to consider, the poor thing. This is an absolutely terrible situation, and happening in the public eye!
I disagree. Those children have a right to a family and Anna should do everything in her power to make sure Josh and her provide it. They are the parents! It's too late to decide on another arrangement. There are four young lives at stake they take first priority. Letting Josh off the hook and straight into the arms of a porn star is too easy. He helped bring those kids into the world so he has to provide a decent family environment for them. If he wanted to marry a porn star, he shouldn't have married Anna and had four kids.
It's about time somebody demanded people who act like this be made responsible for their kids and that means making sure they are raised in a nurturing environment that resembles a family. It's not society's responsibility, it's Josh Duggar's so no. America has no obligation to raise money for these kids. Josh Duggar has that obligation and the public needs to be sure he does the right thing, create a nurturing environment for his four kids.
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I don't think that's a reason to stay.
I'm pretty sure if she left him, the whole country would come behind her and raise enough money for her to raise her children. We would not only be supporting her, but supporting the idea of empowering women in general and allowing them to gain the education and skills they need to support themselves if the "unimaginable" happens. Which it did.
Leaving him, though, requires her to leave a lot of the beliefs she grew up with. Not necessarily the Christian faith altogether, but a very specific set of values that pertain to the sect she belongs to. It could cost her relationships with family, church, and even friends - basically her entire social network. It also would throw her into a world she is unprepared to enter.
I really wonder what is going through her mind. Does she see that the way she and Josh have been raised has left her vulnerable to his whims with very little or no recourse? Is she still buying into it, or does she see flaws in this system of belief?
I am generally "traditional" in my views of marriage, but I do think women need a way out if they get into a situation that is unbearable. To leave them without the education and skills to take care of themselves if they end up in an abusive situation is cruel. I would consider serial unfaithfulness a form of abuse - emotional abuse at best.
She has a lot to consider, the poor thing. This is an absolutely terrible situation, and happening in the public eye!
I disagree. Those children have a right to a family and Anna should do everything in her power to make sure Josh and her provide it. They are the parents! It's too late to decide on another arrangement. There are four young lives at stake they take first priority. Letting Josh off the hook and straight into the arms of a porn star is too easy. He helped bring those kids into the world so he has to provide a decent family environment for them. If he wanted to marry a porn star, he shouldn't have married Anna and had four kids.
It's about time somebody demanded people who act like this be made responsible for their kids and that means making sure they are raised in a nurturing environment that resembles a family. It's not society's responsibility, it's Josh Duggar's so no. America has no obligation to raise money for these kids. Josh Duggar has that obligation and the public needs to be sure he does the right thing, create a nurturing environment for his four kids.
I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment. Ideally, you are correct. But America can never demand this, except that he pay child support to raise his own children.
That is what we should expect from *anyone* who has decided to bring a child into the world (and I'm going to include starting a pregnancy here...) Yup, you want to have sex, be ready to provide for the children that result.
It is idealistic. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out right.
No one can "demand" anyone change his or her ways. As much as we might want it or get angry about it, that's not going to change someone's heart. We can even try to legislate good behavior, but that's not going to be enough to provide a good environment. What you are asking for is for Josh to be completely different than he has been for years. If he does change, that is wonderful. If he doesn't, a cheating, lying father is not going to provide a "decent" environment for his children.
I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment. Ideally, you are correct. But America can never demand this, except that he pay child support to raise his own children.
That is what we should expect from *anyone* who has decided to bring a child into the world (and I'm going to include starting a pregnancy here...) Yup, you want to have sex, be ready to provide for the children that result.
It is idealistic. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out right.
No one can "demand" anyone change his or her ways. As much as we might want it or get angry about it, that's not going to change someone's heart. We can even try to legislate good behavior, but that's not going to be enough to provide a good environment. What you are asking for is for Josh to be completely different than he has been for years. If he does change, that is wonderful. If he doesn't, a cheating, lying father is not going to provide a "decent" environment for his children.
YES you can demand. Everyone can. If you have four kids with the same woman, stay with her and raise those kids. Do not let him off the hook to go be with someone he never had kids with and only wants because they are sexual and lets it all hang out in front of a camera. Who cares? His wife has all the same anatomy as this woman. If he can be sexual enough with his wife to create all those kids, he can by God stay with her to raise them as well. It is what we as a society owe to our kids - the right to grow up in a nurturing family. If you make excuses for him, you are just playing into the overall dysfunction that exists in western society and culture. You are creating generations of kids who are denied their right to grow in a nurturing environment because of immaturity and lack of responsibility. Adults should be expected to behave better and we as a society should demand they do. Otherwise simple, don't have kids. Don't bring them into whatever drama or mess you are working on inside your own mind, whatever you feel needs resolving. If you choose to not have them by practicing birth control, then you can go ahead and be with whomever you want whenever you want and no one can ever demand you raise your own kids because you won't have any. It's plain LOGIC. I get so frustrated with people who do not know what they want then abandon their families because they think they want to be with this or that stripper or porn star. Well, honey, the wife has the SAME ANATOMY as any other woman. It's all the same. So suck it up already and quit being so childish about owning up to your responsibility. Once you have kids, the demand should be made that you, at the very least, provide them with a nurturing environment in which to develop.
Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me to discover the reason the porn star he had and affair with came out with allegations in the press when she did was due to him disappearing (supposedly to some kind of treatment program for sex offenders) and her not being able to communicate with him anymore so out of spite she leaks the affair to the press. So, he could have very well been planning something more serious than an affair with her, eventually.
So, Anna, don't let the porn star win. Don't divorce the father of your four children who need both of you. It's selfish to expect a man to abandon four kids. Seriously, Miss Porn Star do need to grow up already! Of all the fish in the sea....really! She needs to go find someone who doesn't have a gaggle of kids to raise.
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He saw her at least twice and he was quite smitten with her. He watched her movies and he stalked her out at these clubs. So, seems he was really into her.
This goes on and on as humans, in our global Disneyland, set up high minded rules only to break them over and over. Man, the work in progress between consciousness and instinct. We simply arent YET fully wired for monogamy and all the religious prescriptions are not going to alter that. All the major religions do is make utterly dysfunctional specimens of us. What can we do to resolve these sorts of issues. Nothing with religions hanging over us except sit back and wait for the next episode in this farce.
