Should churches pay taxes?

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Sure, why the hell not?

So do you think all non-profits should be taxed no matter what?

As I posted earlier in the thread, churches - and other organizations - should be taxed, but the IRS should take into account the wealth of such entities, as is done with individuals. For instance, poor people don't pay income tax; same would apply to small churches, or other organizations.

Maybe because there isn't a profit to tax. However, Kenneth Copeland seems to have to lose a thumping great profit somewhere. I wonder how much tax on personal income he pays.

This is the problem with taxing non-profits. A donor to the organization has already paid tax on the money they are donating, but now the money is going to be taxed again and is going to the government instead of the intended purpose.
I will use a hypothetical situation to explain:
Say there is an organization called Citizens Against War that I really like. I decide I want to donate 5000 to them. Lets say that 1000 of that donation goes toward taxes and goes to the government. Lets say that 50% of that money went to fund the Department of Defense. That means I was donating to an anti-war organization, but 10% of my donation went to fund a war.

Not necessarily. Donations to many such organizations are deductible.



So what? If you pay someone $5,000 to do some work for you, then they pay taxes on that money even though you already paid taxes on it yourself.

Why do you think that non-profits should be any different?

But the work is still getting done, so your money is still going to what you intended it to go to. When you purchase a product or service it has taxes added into it, and you know how much of what you are paying is tax. A non-profit can't add tax to someone's donation.

You are confusing different types of taxes.

In a sales tax, one type of consumption tax, the tax is usually charged separately from the item. In a VAT, another type of consumption tax, the tax is built into the cost of the item and is not a separate line item charge.

For property taxes, the tax is typically based on a percentage of the value of the property and is separate.

For income taxes, the taxes are taken out of the amount received.

So the notion that "non-profit can't add tax to someone's donation" is meaningless. If a non-profit were to pay taxes on their revenue, the amount of taxes would be taken out of that revenue.

Businesses don't pay income tax on revenue. They pay taxes on profit, which by definition a non-profit would not have. Therefore there is nothing to tax as far as that goes. It would still be possible for them to pay property taxes. I guess as far as that goes it would just be a matter of opinion whether they should or not. I feel like less people would donate money if they knew a large percentage of their donation was going to the government.

Not quite. They pay taxes on revenue minus deductible expenses and tax credits. It wouldn't be at all difficult to devise very similar criteria for non-profits.

The crooks ain't just confined to religions. Here are a few more crooks:
Rank Charity name... Total raised by solicitors ...Paid to solicitors ... % spent on direct cash aid
1 Kids Wish Network 137.9million 115.9 million 2.5%
2 Cancer Fund of America 86.8million 75.4 million 1.0%
3 Children's Wish Foundation International 92.7million 61.2 million 10.6%
4 Firefighters Charitable Foundation 62.8million 53.8 million 7.4%
5 International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO 66.6million 50.4 million 0.5%
6 Breast Cancer Relief Foundation 63.9million 44.8 million 2.2%
7 American Association of State Troopers 48.1million 38.6 million 8.9%
8 National Veterans Service Fund 70.2million 36.9 million 7.8%
9 Children's Cancer Fund of America 43.7million 34.4 million 4.6%
10 Children's Cancer Recovery Foundation 38.5million 28.9 million 0.7%
11 Project Cure (Bradenton, FL) 53.8million 25.5 million 0.0%
12 Committee For Missing Children 26.6million 23.5 million 0.8%
13 Youth Development Fund 27.5million 22.6 million 1.0%
14 Association for Firefighters and Paramedics 24.0million 21.4 million 3.1%
15 Woman To Woman Breast Cancer Foundation 19.4million 18.2 million 0.3%
16 United States Deputy Sheriffs' Association 25.6million 17.9 million 0.8%
17 National Caregiving Foundation 21.0million 17.4 million 3.2%
18 Vietnow National Headquarters 19.1million 16.7 million 2.8%
19 National Cancer Coalition 42.1million 16.4 million 1.3%
20 Operation Lookout National Center for Missing Youth 18.2million 14.7 million 0.0%
21 American Foundation For Disabled Children 15.8million 13.4 million 0.6%
22 Heart Support of America 31.4million 12.9 million 3.1%
23 Police Protective Fund 37.7million 12.2 million 0.7%
24 Veterans Assistance Foundation 12.4million 11.1 million 10.4%
25 Children's Charity Fund 14.0million 10.3 million 2.4%
26 The Veterans Fund 12.6million 10.2 million 2.5%
27 Wishing Well Foundation USA 12.6million 10.1 million 4.3%
28 Disabled Police Officers of America Inc. 11.4million 9.5 million 2.3%
29 Disabled Police and Sheriffs Foundation 10.4million 8.9 million 1.0%
30 National Police Defense Foundation 10.6million 8.4 million 5.1%
31 Defeat Diabetes Foundation 12.7million 7.8 million 0.0%
32 American Association of the Deaf & Blind 10.3million 7.8 million 0.1%
33 Optimal Medical Foundation 7.8million 7.6 million 1.0%
34 Circle of Friends For American Veterans 9.3million 7.2 million 4.4%
35 United Breast Cancer Foundation 12.7million 7.2 million 6.3%
36 Reserve Police Officers Association 7.8million 6.9 million 1.2%
37 Children's Leukemia Research Association 9.8million 6.8 million 11.1%
38 Disabled Police Officers Counseling Center 7.6million 6.4 million 0.1%
39 Shiloh International Ministries 7.7million 6.0 million 1.1%
40 Find the Children 7.4million 4.8 million 4.6%
41 Survivors and Victims Empowered 7.7million 4.8 million 0.0%
42 Firefighters Assistance Fund 5.7million 4.7 million 3.1%
43 Caring for Our Children Foundation 5.1million 4.4 million 1.6%
44 National Narcotic Officers Associations Coalition 5.0million 4.2 million 0.0%
45 Our American Veterans 2.6million 2.3 million 2.3%
46 Roger Wyburn-Mason & Jack M Blount Foundation For Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease 9.0million 1.9 million 0.0%
47 Hope Cancer Fund 2.1million 1.7 million 0.5%
48 Firefighters Burn Fund 2.0million 1.7 million 1.5%

Crooks all, and there ain't nothing illegal about it.

Churches ad mosques are jus a crooked as these crooks.

Regards
DL

Enlightening...

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I was personally aware of some of the abuse but seeing the larger picture shows how widespread the abuse within our systems are and sure opened my eyes as well.

If the tax payers knew how badly the systems we live under was screwing honest people, we would have a tax revolt to straighten out these areas of abuse.

The thieves would have to carry their own tax burden instead of you and I subsidising their thefts.

Regards
DL

@GB
Fascinating
Where did you find that list?
I would like to share it but I'll need the link/source. Pls and thanks.

This includes a link to watch.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/us/worst-charities/

As well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyy0ykPqZn0

If taxpayers en mass knew of all the scams they finance they would load some guns.

Regards
DL

Thanks GB!

Great info!