Is it Politically correct to be ashamed of being Caucasian?

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That. Or clinically depressed.

If I said I was proud to be white it would be considered racist, if I was another ethnicity and said I was proud it would not be.

I think one of the problems is that "white" is just too broad a term (I tend to feel the same with "black" and "brown" as well) and the historical connotations annoy me as well. Just the idea that the Irish, among others we would definitely call white today, weren't considered white until fairly recently. White was more of an elitist group than a racial group set to segregate. Maybe that's why I don't like saying I'm "white." I'm a mix of all sorts of things, not just a color (or lack thereof). Everyone is a mix of something these days, even if they consider themselves "racially pure" they still have Neanderthal or Denisovan or another humanoid ancestor we haven't named yet. No European is "racially pure" and even some Chinese have Celtic or Roman ancestry.

I need to stop myself before I get into a rant... but I just don't like the term "white."
I'm me, I'm a mutt, I'm human (as far as I know ) and I like all the different parts of my heritage. You can say you're proud to be of Northern European descent, or proud to be beige? (not very many people lack melanin enough to actually be white anyway). Either way... people will take offense to anything these days. I read an article earlier that said anyone who dresses up in a white culture, specifically Norse, is being racist because whites are the oppressors and by dressing as a Norse you are thereby oppressing people or something moronic like that... (they even say Thor, the Avenger, is racist just by existing!)
(and pardon I'm being snarky/snappy... I'm tired and sick and I don't understand all this super-pc stuff)

I think everyone knew the Irish were white. However, for political reasons perhaps they categorized them differently.

Today, in the US, black people from Northern Africa are categorized as white.

Hispanics were categorized as white, then that changed, and they were categorized as "Hispanic".

Many Asians are "pale skin", yet, they don't get categorized as white.

It's all political, and not scientific.

There is a class difference.

Remember in high school there were groups like the "burn outs", "jocks", "nerds", "metal heads" and how one group did not relate to another group. The same principal applies here.

I am in the "nerd" category, and these guys don't appear to be. So, likely, I cannot relate to them. Likely, we are different in so many ways. They are likely lowly educated, working low wage jobs, drinking beer/smoking often, and I am the opposite.

However, there are secondary problems too.

- "Poor woes": Conversation with them will often become about their troubles, how they can't find work, how they are getting screwed by someone, how hard they have it.

-Possibly, they will find you arrogant or conceited, because you have a high paying intellectual job. I have two known incidences with this. One person just stopped talking to me.

-There is a concern that they won't appreciate that you are a non-smoker/non-drinker. I say this from experience, when I lived near a "marijuana couple" that filled the common area of our apartment complex with marijuana smoke.

-Of course, crime is a concern, because they don't have money. When I lived in a poor neighborhood, my home was broken into twice. Also, my car was broken into once.

These are just off the top of my head.

What are you talking about here?

"Black" people dont come from "Northern Africa".

They come from Sub Saharan Africa. Immigrants from the Arab north of Africa (Morocco to Egypt) are normally considered "Caucasian" anyway.

Egyptian man sues government to be "black".
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/07/egy ... -as-black/

Quoted: “'White' is defined as “a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa” — which is why the U.S. government classifies Hefny as such".

The US government thinks he is white.

You think this Egyptian man is white?

Wow...Thanks for that Time link! Lots of useful information there.

Sadly American governments have also gone as far as to try and label as "white" Native Americans who for whatever reason have not been officially tribal-enrolled, despite how much "Indian" blood they have in their ancestry. I guess this has to be blamed on Wannabes like the blue-eyed Ward Churchill of the Iwishiwas tribe, who turned out to be a Scottish/Hungarian mix IIRC after DNA tests were performed on his blood relatives.

(Now known to the world as Chief Fulabaloni).

Yes. I sometimes doubt that the people who think otherwise are as big of a problem as Media makes them out to be, though.

Race isn't something exact, but as far as you can pin it down it not to do with colour. Race and colour are separate concepts. Whist it might be evidence of racial background it cannot be used


Caucasian includes Middle astern, Persian, and even Indian people can have quite a lot of Caucasian in them.

No, SJW logic doesn't make sense.

No because rednecks are simpletons.

The way I understand it Caucasian should really just refer to some Europeans the ones that are actually somewhat bordering the Caucasus region. But not so sure more Germanic and Nordic people would actually be Caucasian...I mean Caucasian mostly includes middle eastern, persian and indian people.

1) "Caucasian" as it is offically, scientifically used. And how it used by the US goverment.

All of the "western races" (round eyes, projecting noses, non east asians, non Black).
It means BOTH groups you're talking about: White pallid Europeans, AND various shades of brown folks from the Middle East and North Africa eastward to India.


2)"Caucasian" as it has come to be erroneously used in the USA:

"White people" of European descent. Just that subset of above. Not the darker west/south asian folks.

Niether meaning has much, if anything, to do with the actual Caucasus Mountains south of the Russian Republic.


3) "Caucasian" as it SHOULD be used IMHO:

Only folks who actually ARE from the Caucasus Mountains.

People from the small region of mountains stretching from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea in what was the southern Soviet Union. Folks from Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbiejan. Thats it! No one else from either Europe or western asia should be called "Caucasian". For the obvious reason that they arent from the Caucasus Mountain region.

The above scientific/government meaning is based upon a 250 year old long descredited theory that all of the "White" (in the larger sense -India to Europe) "race" had its origin in a prehistoric ancestrial homeland in the Caucasus Mountains, and that they later fanned out in every direction from there.

Its now an outdated and confusing term.

Not sure, but it seems like really-white-lookin people are the main ones that try to "talk around" their skin color, which is evidence of being ashamed in my opinion.

with 3. I not sure I agree with becuase the idea of the term is the genetic strain comes from a bottleneck the originated there, so it is talking about is particular time in per-history.

The reason why Black/African is used is the word that was used as analogous to Caucasian was Negroid. Sometimes the term Congoid is used or Bantu. This is distinct from Capoid (bushmen / Khoisan / San), who have some of the most divergent (oldest) Y-chromosome haplogroups.

The term was coined by the German philospher Christoph Meiners in 1785 based upon his theory stated above that had nothing to do with any 21st Century discoveries of "genetic bottlenecks". The term long predated even Darwin and Mendel, and more so Watson and Crick. Thus predated modern genetics.