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even the quran refers to fighting as self defense... not as offense... ("fight those who fight you, but if they desist, then you must desist") and yes i dont speak arabic.... and if one really wants to look at whether Muhammad was a warlord or a statesman fighting in self defense, one can look at secular sources, which are FAR more reliable for people who don't bother with tafsir... again, the vast, vast majority of scholars AND Muslims agree that fighting is only against those who fight you, so why the hell are you protesting, when no one says to "kill christians wherever ye may find them,"????
Firstly, there is no real question at all if he was a warlord or not. You are the only one denying that. Secondly, there are plenty of instances where muslims have decided that something offends them and therefore counts as an attack, and responded with actual violence. That sort of behaviour is worth opposing tooth and nail. Thirdly, while neither of us speaks arabic, I think we both know that one of the more common meanings of the word "fitnah/al-fitnah" is "those who disbelieve", which seems to extend to pretty much anyone who isn't muslim, jewish or non-trinitarian christian. I and many I care about are not included in those groups.
Finally, I care about reason, logic and truth. I care about morality, ethics and secular values. I care about science and real knowledge. So when you're espousing the irong age, tribalistic tyranny that you present as a model for what constitutes a good and just society in this and in your thousand other threads, you can expect no mercy from me in tearing your ideas apart.
THAT is why the "hell" I'm protesting.
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09 Nov 2015, 5:40 pm
