Repealing the 2nd Amendment.
But did the President ever say specifically that he's going to take guns away from us Aspies? I need to see the evidence that that's the definite plan.
No because that would take forever to make a plan for each and every disorder. So they lump it together. Same reason there now ASD instead of high functioning, low functioning, aspergers etc. same reason the ssa put social disorder under mental disorder. Burocrats love to make things simple, makes paperwork more easy.
Fact is most people consider ASD to be a mental illnesses and the ssa lists it as mental disorder. So when someone is approved to be on ssi they'll listed as having s mental disorder,
Obamas new order is to bar people on ssa classified as having s mental disorder from owning guns.
Unless whoever wrote the order (president Obama) is so misunderstanding of how English works then this is his goal.
FYI people said they wouldn't ban veterans from owning guns but they have done so to thousands of not millions of veterans.many who are still having to fight for their rights back in expensive court cases. There guns destroyed and no money paid for their value. If they'll ok attacking veterans who fought for this nation then then targeting already misunderstood and so times hated small population of this nation is far easier.
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I would not agree with repealing it, and even if there was some attempt at this...I kind of doubt it would succeed. Pretty much no one on the right wants it repealed, and plenty on the left wouldn't agree with repealing it either. So there are more people who don't want it repealed than people who do. That combined with the difficult and tedious amendment process gives me the impression the second amendment isn't getting repealed anytime soon.
Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
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Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
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Especially since, as with the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, currently owned firearms wouldn't likely be prohibited, but "grandfathered" to their owners. Ex post facto and all that.
This means that more than 300 million privately owned firearms would likely still be "on the streets of America!" Duh-duh-DUHH!
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Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
You are the perfect example of the proverbial broken record.
As stated many many times before to you, it is government (local, state, and federal) and thier elected officials that have spawned what you are calling paranoia.
How many f****d up local, state, and federal laws do I need to post here as examples?
How much case history of gun owners being raked over the coals over petty s**t (or nothing) do I need to reference and link here?
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Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
You are the perfect example of the proverbial broken record.
As stated many many times before to you, it is government (local, state, and federal) and thier elected officials that have spawned what you are calling paranoia.
How many f****d up local, state, and federal laws do I need to post here as examples?
How much case history of gun owners being raked over the coals over petty s**t (or nothing) do I need to reference and link here?
And how is any of that related to the notion of alleged false flag operations? Or the notion that the grieving families seen on TV are are just actors, and that the victims had never existed, all engineered by the government to take away your guns? I have no idea what your point even is.
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Especially since, as with the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, currently owned firearms wouldn't likely be prohibited, but "grandfathered" to their owners. Ex post facto and all that.
This means that more than 300 million privately owned firearms would likely still be "on the streets of America!" Duh-duh-DUHH!
Even if they weren't grandfathered in most owners of these "dangerous assault weapons" including me would not surrender or register them. They're mine and I paid for them. Even Canada, the valhalla of the American left, had pathetic success at getting people to register thier guns under The Firearms Act (bill C-68) became law. What does that say?
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Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
You are the perfect example of the proverbial broken record.
As stated many many times before to you, it is government (local, state, and federal) and thier elected officials that have spawned what you are calling paranoia.
How many f****d up local, state, and federal laws do I need to post here as examples?
How much case history of gun owners being raked over the coals over petty s**t (or nothing) do I need to reference and link here?
And how is any of that related to the notion of alleged false flag operations?
Stop being dense. This is one of the biggest reasons you get beat up in these threads.
Is this about Sandy Hook again?
That was three years ago and I hardly think that a very small fringe is representative of all gun owners. You apparently think so or you wouldn't harp on it in each one of these threads.
How much worse is it than each time there is mass shooting the antis seize the opportunity to slide through anti gun legislation?
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Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
You are the perfect example of the proverbial broken record.
As stated many many times before to you, it is government (local, state, and federal) and thier elected officials that have spawned what you are calling paranoia.
How many f****d up local, state, and federal laws do I need to post here as examples?
How much case history of gun owners being raked over the coals over petty s**t (or nothing) do I need to reference and link here?
And how is any of that related to the notion of alleged false flag operations?
Stop being dense. This is one of the biggest reasons you get beat up in these threads.
Is this about Sandy Hook again?
That was three years ago and I hardly think that a very small fringe is representative of all gun owners. You apparently think so or you wouldn't harp on it in each one of these threads.
How much worse is it than each time there is mass shooting the antis seize the opportunity to slide through anti gun legislation?
If you'd care to pay attention to what I wrote, then you'd realize I was addressing that lunatic fringe element. Why is it that you get bent out of shape whenever I talk about just them? Is it that you think I'm accusing all gun owners of being representative of those freaks? Because I'm not.
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Especially since, as with the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, currently owned firearms wouldn't likely be prohibited, but "grandfathered" to their owners. Ex post facto and all that.
This means that more than 300 million privately owned firearms would likely still be "on the streets of America!" Duh-duh-DUHH!
Recent attempts at a new awb didn't include grandfarthering. And in California and Newport they've now made it so grandfathered magazines have to be turned in, the guns will be next. Anti gun people don't care about the constitution.
Also if they repealed that amendment it might also mean people would face legal consequences for having weapons aside from guns as well....it is the right to bear arms, not just guns.
I myself can understand having some regulations and what not, I don't think it should just be a free for all that anyone regardless of criminal record and of all ages should be able to get whatever gun they want at anytime with no limits whatsoever...but repealing the amendment, would be taking things too far. I also think medical records being part of back ground checks is crap....I'd support a criminal background check but medical records aren't relevant. Not to mention if you take a bunch of people with the same diagnoses they are going to be at different stages of treatment and some could be considered recovered/stable.
I imagine there are ways to prevent someone who is suicidal or homicidal due to a mental illness from having a gun, than banning gun sells to anyone with a mental health diagnoses across the board. Not sure what Obama is thinking with that bit, especially when he brings up wanting to increase access to treatment and reduce stigma for mental illness. How?....by barring anyone with a mental health diagnoses from an american right? that is likely just going to make some people less likely to seek any help for that.
And that's what almost everyone believes, except for the paranoid few who believe in the false flag conspiracy theories, and who think the government is chewing at the bit to take their guns.
You are the perfect example of the proverbial broken record.
As stated many many times before to you, it is government (local, state, and federal) and thier elected officials that have spawned what you are calling paranoia.
How many f****d up local, state, and federal laws do I need to post here as examples?
How much case history of gun owners being raked over the coals over petty s**t (or nothing) do I need to reference and link here?
And how is any of that related to the notion of alleged false flag operations?
Stop being dense. This is one of the biggest reasons you get beat up in these threads.
Is this about Sandy Hook again?
That was three years ago and I hardly think that a very small fringe is representative of all gun owners. You apparently think so or you wouldn't harp on it in each one of these threads.
How much worse is it than each time there is mass shooting the antis seize the opportunity to slide through anti gun legislation?
If you'd care to pay attention to what I wrote, then you'd realize I was addressing that lunatic fringe element. Why is it that you get bent out of shape whenever I talk about just them? Is it that you think I'm accusing all gun owners of being representative of those freaks? Because I'm not.
And why do you keep repeatedly addressing that one small lunatic fringe element as if they are a majority in wich I and other pro-gunners on this site are members of?
No backsliding, sidewinding, goalpost moving, straw men, or obtuseness, just why the obession?
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Anybody who would repeal any of the articles of the bill of rights would have no issue shredding the entire US Constitution altogeather.
One of the reasons why the second amendment was written was to ensure that Government would not become a tyrannical entity. It was also there to ensure the survival of our country should it be invaded, conquored, and occupied by a foreign army.
If the second amendment is repealed it will make it much for the US to succumb to creeping tyranny more so than it is already.
--We are already a surveillance state, with the 2nd amendment repealed, we will have failed 'The Great Experiment' that our country embarked on over 200 years ago, and we would become a police state not much better than China.
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Thanks Obama, you have elected Trump to secure the Second Amendment, the rest of the Constitution, and sign an order cancelling all of your orders.
Making America Great Again starts with defending our Constitutional Republic.
The Surveillance State, Warrantless Search, The Income Tax, are forbidden or not supported by the Constitution.
We have a one of a kind system that has served us well, that some would replace with a European Socialist State, where the Government has the power to rule the people, without their consent.
Obama, Hillary, and Bernie all know better how to rule America, they are professional Rulers.
I have heard that a printout of the tax code would fill five train cars. I think that could be reduced to two pages.
Having a minimum income of $1,000 a month would be cheaper than all the government programs, and could end the need for government workers to run them.
Canada has universal health care for half of what we spend, and we do not cover everyone. Their drugs are much cheaper. Our lack of health care is costing us. Universal is basic health care, someone wrote that you can still spend more and get better service. It is still a for profit medical system. There may be waits, but the quality of the care is good.
Health, Education and Welfare is in the Constitution as something the Government should provide.
They are also to secure the borders and provide for the common defense.
Trump will build a wall, and deport the illegals. We have an army of government police, and an army, that do nothing most of the time. They can also give work to the retired IRS and Welfare workers.
It will open up millions of jobs. Also, the Federal Lands need work. Clear brush, plant grass, build more parks.
We need to provide more service, reduce the size and cost of government, and bring back full employment.
We can hold off on legal immigrants until we reach full employment and rising wages.
The only way to have a $1,000 a month minimum income, is also have a lot of $2,000 a month jobs. A raise, a little overtime, and they get an "I Am A TAX Payer" hat. They may only pay 10% on what they make above $25,000, but they will pay $3,000 into Social Security.
Employers will not have to pay for medical insurance, so the cost of employees is lower.
We can preserve the nation and give most a better life.

