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18 Mar 2016, 8:09 am

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Trump is setting a good example to those who wish to be known as his supporters... :roll: I always thought nurses would be compassionate. There is nothing to be ashamed of in receiving SSI or whatever social security is called in the US. Many here may not have physical disabilities but have non visible disabilities and need social security.

I agree with the nurse that we Aspies talk about interesting stuff. And I reckon if we were in control the world including the US wouldn't be in the state it's in!


The irony is that our angelic nurse here is both an archconservative, AND the world's biggest cheerleader for a candidate who is more socialistic than Bernie Sanders! Trump is for single payer patterned after Canada.

And if someone suggests that "it cuts both ways" it does not.

Folks who oppose Trump come from both Liberal and Conservative camps, and folks of both those stripes oppose him for similiar reasons: that he is unqualified, and says irresponsible things, and uses hatemongering.

Though the conservatives who oppose him ALSO are the conservatives who are aware of how unconservative Trump is (unlike the conservatives like the Nurse who support hime because they turn a blind eye to how unconservative he is because they like his nativist vitriol).


If you wanna be policially uncorrect and vote just to spite liberals why vote for a big gov. liberal like Trump? That doesnt even make any sense.

Why not vote for Cruz? Liberals hate him at least as much as they do Trump, and Cruz is actually conservative.


Cruz is a sure loser and another Bush in waiting, his wife is an executive at Goldman Sachs. Owned by the special interests and has stabbed everyone in the back that he has every allied with. I am also not a bible thumping 'pray the gay away' type. No wonder why liberals would want Cruz to be the nominee when Trump would crush Hillary and take a large part of the Democratic electorate, look at the turnout so far in the primaries. If they weren't afraid that Trump was going to win, they wouldn't be fighting him so far but remember that's the last part before we win.

How is Trump unqualified? He's been the chief executive of his own billion dollar business, are lawyers from Harvard and people part of the Skull and Bones the only people qualified to president? It's nonsense. Trump is much smarter than a puppet like Marco Rubio and John Kasich, he gets trade right and foreign policy more right than anyone and he's been consistent on this issues for more than 25 years.



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18 Mar 2016, 8:51 am

Canada style public health was first proposed by Nixon, and blocked by the Democrats in Congress.

It was the Democrats who wanted to keep medical private, and paid for by your employer.

Medical insurance companies gave Donations to Democrats to preserve multi tier health care.

Every industrial country but one has universal medical care.

It was an idea who's time had come, so the Democrats rammed through Obama Care, to keep Insurance Private, but also make it Mandatory.

You have to buy insurance, that does not pay for the first $10,000 of medical claims, or we will take your tax return as a fine. Also, the rates are going up 50% per year, as are the fines for not having it.

That is like being forced to buy Life Insurance that does not pay the first time you die. Also, people who die without insurance are fined.

Follow the money, the government gets the fines, and keeps them. Insurance gets the customers, but does not have to pay medical costs. The Medical Profession still treats people who cannot pay. This cost has to be put on those who can pay, hence all rates go up.

The Government takes the money, the Insurance takes the money, the people have their money taken, and Medical Services are still not paid for.

Canada provided health care to everyone for half what Americans paid to treat some before Obama Care.

We now pay three times as much and still are not covered.

AAA+ insurance rates are spiking, as are Medical Rates, because people who think they have insurance are seeking treatment.

Insurance Companies got money for nothing, the Government fined the uninsured, everyone else got screwed.

The Democrats, making money from human suffering through lies.

To Republicans, not Christians and Neocons, Economic Republicans, Almost all health care is paid through employment, who are also taxed to pay for the young, old, disabled who are not covered.

Those employed through Government get the best health care, and are not taxed to pay for others.

Universal Health Care, everyone gets the same health care paid for by a single source.

The costs now put on employers, Health, what next, Education, General Welfare? These are the roles assigned to Government.

Halliburton does have a 100,000 man army for National Defense, but they are an exception.

Should we be like Ukraine where Bill Gates would have several Divisions?

Universal Health Care is important. Consider the tourist from Africa who came down with Ebola.

He was not a Citizen, did not have Insurance, but a lot was spent to stop the spread, and treating the nurse exposed.

It is getting warmer, more things migrating up from the tropics, Medical defenses are important.

Is this a future where Terrorist Insurance, Police Insurance, will be as common as Homeowners, or Flood Insurance?

You were blown up by a Terrorist, but the Police can do nothing because you do not have Police Insurance, Terrorist Insurance, but if you can show proof of Medical Insurance, we will call an Ambulance for you.

The people who are against Single Payer are Insurance Companies, Drug Companies, who lobby and make political donations.

The Medical Profession and Hospitals would like to be paid for services rendered.

All other Industrial Countries have shown that treating everyone is much cheaper, and builds a strong Medical System.

When the Ebola Epidemic hit, many of the first to die were the Medical Profession, these are front line troops.

Trump supporters show both Intelligence and Common Sense.

The Left puts lipstick on a pig.



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18 Mar 2016, 9:11 am

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Trump is setting a good example to those who wish to be known as his supporters... :roll: I always thought nurses would be compassionate. There is nothing to be ashamed of in receiving SSI or whatever social security is called in the US. Many here may not have physical disabilities but have non visible disabilities and need social security.

I agree with the nurse that we Aspies talk about interesting stuff. And I reckon if we were in control the world including the US wouldn't be in the state it's in!


Yeah, my mom's on disability, and I get a disability check from the VA.

Can't say I care whether or not someone thinks we "deserve it" or not.


I would like to discuss the disability issue a little more, especially since I'm in Healthcare. I'm not here to make people feel guilty about being on it. I would honestly like to know why people are on disability.

Those of you who are using the program, what is the reason that you are on it? And those who are using it for Asperger's, what symptoms do you have that are disabling? After all, I am on an Aspie website to learn more about Asperger's.


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18 Mar 2016, 9:20 am

Well, I'm not in the US but am on disability because my AS traits seem to prevent me from holding a "normal" job, and it is too stressful. My last boss terminated my contract at the end of November after only 4 months, despite being aware of my condition and the way it affects my thinking patterns. He also seemed to say one thing and do quite another.

Thus, in my instance I have no choice but to accept disability in accordance with my medical professional's recommendation. Because, despite being of above average intelligence my social skills and way of handling things isn't up to par in the "normal" world.


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18 Mar 2016, 9:28 am

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Cruz is a sure loser and another Bush in waiting, his wife is an executive at Goldman Sachs. Owned by the special interests and has stabbed everyone in the back that he has every allied with. I am also not a bible thumping 'pray the gay away' type. No wonder why liberals would want Cruz to be the nominee when Trump would crush Hillary and take a large part of the Democratic electorate, look at the turnout so far in the primaries. If they weren't afraid that Trump was going to win, they wouldn't be fighting him so far but remember that's the last part before we win.

How is Trump unqualified? He's been the chief executive of his own billion dollar business, are lawyers from Harvard and people part of the Skull and Bones the only people qualified to president? It's nonsense. Trump is much smarter than a puppet like Marco Rubio and John Kasich, he gets trade right and foreign policy more right than anyone and he's been consistent on this issues for more than 25 years.

Looking out for your own rich self is poor qualification for the job. What does Trump know about everyday problems? Absolutely nothing.



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18 Mar 2016, 9:36 am

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Trump is setting a good example to those who wish to be known as his supporters... :roll: I always thought nurses would be compassionate. There is nothing to be ashamed of in receiving SSI or whatever social security is called in the US. Many here may not have physical disabilities but have non visible disabilities and need social security.

I agree with the nurse that we Aspies talk about interesting stuff. And I reckon if we were in control the world including the US wouldn't be in the state it's in!


The irony is that our angelic nurse here is both an archconservative, AND the world's biggest cheerleader for a candidate who is more socialistic than Bernie Sanders! Trump is for single payer patterned after Canada.

And if someone suggests that "it cuts both ways" it does not.

Folks who oppose Trump come from both Liberal and Conservative camps, and folks of both those stripes oppose him for similiar reasons: that he is unqualified, and says irresponsible things, and uses hatemongering.

Though the conservatives who oppose him ALSO are the conservatives who are aware of how unconservative Trump is (unlike the conservatives like the Nurse who support hime because they turn a blind eye to how unconservative he is because they like his nativist vitriol).


If you wanna be policially uncorrect and vote just to spite liberals why vote for a big gov. liberal like Trump? That doesnt even make any sense.

Why not vote for Cruz? Liberals hate him at least as much as they do Trump, and Cruz is actually conservative.


Cruz would actually be my next vote. The main reason I'm for Trump is because he's not already in big government. It's not because I'm trying to get back at the Left. What's unfortunate is that the only people who can run for president are people with money. I would have voted for Carson, but I think he's too meek and those other country leaders would run all over him. However, I think he would make a great VP because he could be the one to tone things down a bit. If there was a Joe Blow who had no money and had never been in the government, I'd be for them. I don't want another government official for President. I want someone on the other side.
And contrary to what you may think, I'm not a die hard Republican, I'm an Independent. I have voted Democrat before. As I have gotten older I have found that the Conservative side is more me. I've turned pro-life (I used to be pro-choice), I have guns now which happened just within the last 5yrs or so, a lot of the things on the Republican side are now more appealing to me.

Trump might not be all things, but he's the best thing going right now that's in the running.


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18 Mar 2016, 9:42 am

But you are a tad conspiracy-minded, aren't you? Not that I necessarily disagree with all conspiracy theories, but don't desire to be paranoid. What if Trump turns out to be a conspiracy theorist's nightmare and you had to admit he took his supporters for a ride?

There is a tendency for the super rich to want a say in everything. In our own country the corrupt president is under fire from several ministers with integrity, as he is close buddies with a super rich family trying to control government policy for kickbacks.


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18 Mar 2016, 9:53 am

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Canada style public health was first proposed by Nixon, and blocked by the Democrats in Congress.

It was the Democrats who wanted to keep medical private, and paid for by your employer.

Medical insurance companies gave Donations to Democrats to preserve multi tier health care.

Every industrial country but one has universal medical care.

It was an idea who's time had come, so the Democrats rammed through Obama Care, to keep Insurance Private, but also make it Mandatory.

You have to buy insurance, that does not pay for the first $10,000 of medical claims, or we will take your tax return as a fine. Also, the rates are going up 50% per year, as are the fines for not having it.

That is like being forced to buy Life Insurance that does not pay the first time you die. Also, people who die without insurance are fined.

Follow the money, the government gets the fines, and keeps them. Insurance gets the customers, but does not have to pay medical costs. The Medical Profession still treats people who cannot pay. This cost has to be put on those who can pay, hence all rates go up.

The Government takes the money, the Insurance takes the money, the people have their money taken, and Medical Services are still not paid for.

Canada provided health care to everyone for half what Americans paid to treat some before Obama Care.

We now pay three times as much and still are not covered.

AAA+ insurance rates are spiking, as are Medical Rates, because people who think they have insurance are seeking treatment.

Insurance Companies got money for nothing, the Government fined the uninsured, everyone else got screwed.

The Democrats, making money from human suffering through lies.

To Republicans, not Christians and Neocons, Economic Republicans, Almost all health care is paid through employment, who are also taxed to pay for the young, old, disabled who are not covered.

Those employed through Government get the best health care, and are not taxed to pay for others.

Universal Health Care, everyone gets the same health care paid for by a single source.

The costs now put on employers, Health, what next, Education, General Welfare? These are the roles assigned to Government.

Halliburton does have a 100,000 man army for National Defense, but they are an exception.

Should we be like Ukraine where Bill Gates would have several Divisions?

Universal Health Care is important. Consider the tourist from Africa who came down with Ebola.

He was not a Citizen, did not have Insurance, but a lot was spent to stop the spread, and treating the nurse exposed.

It is getting warmer, more things migrating up from the tropics, Medical defenses are important.

Is this a future where Terrorist Insurance, Police Insurance, will be as common as Homeowners, or Flood Insurance?

You were blown up by a Terrorist, but the Police can do nothing because you do not have Police Insurance, Terrorist Insurance, but if you can show proof of Medical Insurance, we will call an Ambulance for you.

The people who are against Single Payer are Insurance Companies, Drug Companies, who lobby and make political donations.

The Medical Profession and Hospitals would like to be paid for services rendered.

All other Industrial Countries have shown that treating everyone is much cheaper, and builds a strong Medical System.

When the Ebola Epidemic hit, many of the first to die were the Medical Profession, these are front line troops.

Trump supporters show both Intelligence and Common Sense.

The Left puts lipstick on a pig.


You're the only one saying how Obama Care really is - the same way I understand it to be. It's a farce. You know what? It just occurred to me why the Rhinos are pushing for a brokered convention and a replacement with Romney - because Romney was behind Romney Care which was also very similar to Obama Care, wasn't it, Mr. II?


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18 Mar 2016, 9:59 am

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But you are a tad conspiracy-minded, aren't you? Not that I necessarily disagree with all conspiracy theories, but don't desire to be paranoid. What if Trump turns out to be a conspiracy theorist's nightmare and you had to admit he took his supporters for a ride?

There is a tendency for the super rich to want a say in everything. In our own country the corrupt president is under fire from several ministers with integrity, as he is close buddies with a super rich family trying to control government policy for kickbacks.


Are you aware of who Soros is, Mr. E? He's the one funding the Democrat side.

If I am wrong about Trump and he gets elected and leans to the Left, I'd be the first one to say my vote was a mistake. However, he's the best choice for me right now.


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I've heard of Soros but don't know a great deal about him. He's also a rich tycoon / businessman.

What makes him particularly sinister?


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Cruz is a sure loser and another Bush in waiting, his wife is an executive at Goldman Sachs. Owned by the special interests and has stabbed everyone in the back that he has every allied with. I am also not a bible thumping 'pray the gay away' type. No wonder why liberals would want Cruz to be the nominee when Trump would crush Hillary and take a large part of the Democratic electorate, look at the turnout so far in the primaries. If they weren't afraid that Trump was going to win, they wouldn't be fighting him so far but remember that's the last part before we win.

How is Trump unqualified? He's been the chief executive of his own billion dollar business, are lawyers from Harvard and people part of the Skull and Bones the only people qualified to president? It's nonsense. Trump is much smarter than a puppet like Marco Rubio and John Kasich, he gets trade right and foreign policy more right than anyone and he's been consistent on this issues for more than 25 years.

Looking out for your own rich self is poor qualification for the job. What does Trump know about everyday problems? Absolutely nothing.


Trump is the only one (besides Carson) who is running that knows about everyday problems. The others are all big government. You think Hillary knows about your everyday problems? She couldn't care less. She'll always be taken care of by the government. Trump has made his own money. And people keep bringing up that he had been bankrupt 4 times, but isn't that what happens to ordinary people out in the real world dealing with everyday problems that try to start businesses? He dug himself out of those bankruptcies which tells me that he is able to do more than you think. I'm sure Trump knows how to make a budget - have the Democrats even made a budget yet? I got tired of waiting.


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18 Mar 2016, 10:15 am

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Trump is setting a good example to those who wish to be known as his supporters... :roll: I always thought nurses would be compassionate. There is nothing to be ashamed of in receiving SSI or whatever social security is called in the US. Many here may not have physical disabilities but have non visible disabilities and need social security.

I agree with the nurse that we Aspies talk about interesting stuff. And I reckon if we were in control the world including the US wouldn't be in the state it's in!


Yeah, my mom's on disability, and I get a disability check from the VA.

Can't say I care whether or not someone thinks we "deserve it" or not.


I would like to discuss the disability issue a little more, especially since I'm in Healthcare. I'm not here to make people feel guilty about being on it. I would honestly like to know why people are on disability.

Those of you who are using the program, what is the reason that you are on it? And those who are using it for Asperger's, what symptoms do you have that are disabling? After all, I am on an Aspie website to learn more about Asperger's.

No matter what we told you,it wouldn't be enough for you.Or you won't believe us.Its a spectrum disorder,some people function better than others.
People that stim,have frequent meltdowns when stressed,sensory issues,verbal issues are going to have a hard time working many places.It would be nice if there were more work at home options for people.I tried to get one of these jobs but they never had an opening.
There's depression,and not just the feeling blue kind.The Sylvia Plath kind that just knocks your knees out from under you and it's like climbing Everest to get a glass of water from the sink.Spend some time on the mental ward and just see how many of those folks could hold a steady job.
For some the medication may not work,or it could have terrible side effects.I was on Depakote for several years and it raised my chloresterol to a dangerously high level and I developed vertigo.If I just leaned over a bit I would fall on the ground.No Depakote for me.Some of the side effects of the medication can make it hard for people to find a job.There is the drowsiness,slurring of speech and some of the anti-psychotics have the nasty side effect of twitches and uncontrolled muscle movement that could be permanent.Try getting a job with a bad twitch,they will think you are a tweaker.
Just like anxiety,you have it.But you can drive and leave your house and some with severe anxiety can't do that.
They can't even walk out the door of their own home.You can't compare your milder form to another person with crippling anxiety
I don't think IBS qualifies people for disability.Never heard of anyone getting it for that.
You can't stay on unemployment forever,and you can't blame people for signing up when there job they had for years moves overseas.That happened here with the Levis plant.Some of the people were just a few years from retiring when the company pulled the rug out from them.
They don't just hand you a disability check,it can take years for it to get approved.It usually has to go to a judge who will review the medical records and make a decision.
It does seem cruel to come on this site and complain about people on disability when you don't have Aspergers.
If I remember right ,you are a Christian.Jesus admonished his followers to not judge others.


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18 Mar 2016, 10:19 am

Nurse, you started off with innocuous threads about knitting but later decided to jump in the hot, deep end with PPR!

Why does Trump say irresponsible things like threatening to build a wall between the US and Mexico? How can he hope to win the Hispanic vote with such statements?

I really don't think Hillary cares either: she seems to be a "limo liberal". Sanders is more genuine and passionate. She has a misplaced sense of entitlement with little to back it up. What a poor choice the US will have if it comes to Hillary vs Donald!


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18 Mar 2016, 10:20 am

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I've heard of Soros but don't know a great deal about him. He's also a rich tycoon / businessman.

What makes him particularly sinister?


He wants a One World Order that he controls. He wants to bring down America because we are in his way of doing what he wants to do. Hilliary is completely behind him because she is part of the Elites and Sanders is also in favor of the One World Order. If that gets put in place (which I believe to be inevitable), there will be no more America. Everything will be run under the United Nations. A One World Order, a One World Healthcare, a One World Religion that is now trying to be started by the new Pope. That's why this new Pope is getting more political. He is one reason I left the Catholic religion.

In regards to Soros, he has written many books about himself and what he wants to do to America. I'm sure you can find more info online. I had put up a whole documentary about him in another thread, but I guess people didn't want to watch it because Glenn Beck did the documentary.


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18 Mar 2016, 10:26 am

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Nurse, you started off with innocuous threads about knitting but later decided to jump in the hot, deep end with PPR!

Why does Trump say irresponsible things like threatening to build a wall between the US and Mexico? How can he hope to win the Hispanic vote with such statements?

I really don't think Hillary cares either: she seems to be a "limo liberal". Sanders is more genuine and passionate. She has a misplaced sense of entitlement with little to back it up. What a poor choice the US will have if it comes to Hillary vs Donald!


We need a wall. A big one. We have an illegal immigrant problem that will be sure to bring down this country. We can't afford all those people. Plus all the drugs coming up from Mexico with the drug cartels. I think the problem with illegals is totally out of hand already and won't be able to be solved. Is there any other country that let's illegals come in and then gives them all the benefits the US does? A country can't survive doing that.


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18 Mar 2016, 10:27 am

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I've heard of Soros but don't know a great deal about him. He's also a rich tycoon / businessman.

What makes him particularly sinister?

I guess becuse he's Jewish and the conspiracy people think he's in on the New World Order.He's had some financial deals that look sort of shifty,but so does Trump.Try and find a tycoon that doesn't. :D
I think he had more positive qualities than negative.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros


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