Did we evolve from apes, or are we made from dirt and ribs?

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08 Apr 2016, 8:00 pm

how does one know that we are constantly evolving? might we have stopped evolving but nobody noticed? might we actually be DE-volving with nobody the wiser?



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08 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:
how does one know that we are constantly evolving? might we have stopped evolving but nobody noticed? might we actually be DE-volving with nobody the wiser?


Evolution is really just changing to adapt to the environment. It doesn't really have to be an "advancement." We could be evolving to be less intelligent, for example, and it would still be evolution.

I'm pretty sure that scientists have noticed changes over just the last few hundred years. I'd have to look it up. But I can't see why anything would stop evolution unless natural selection no longer occurred.



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08 Apr 2016, 8:15 pm

auntblabby wrote:
how does one know that we are constantly evolving? might we have stopped evolving but nobody noticed? might we actually be DE-volving with nobody the wiser?


Actually, until recently it was assumed that we were NOT still evolving.

Humans reached their present form 100 thousand years ago in southern Africa. We moved out of Africa, and drove the other human variants (Neanderthals, Denisovians) to extinction, and populated the globe. Our competition disappeared, but we didnt change.

Out culture, and technology changed rapidly, and diversified alot, and with ever increasing speed during those 100k years. But scientists assumed that we as animals had not changed at all.

And you even heard the canard that "mankind is now free of evolution" because we had supposedly shielded ourselves from natural selection.

But with the recent genome project they are finding evidence of genes becoming more frequent, or less frequent, even in the last few thousand years of historic time. The very factors like agriculture and civilization that supposedly shield us from natural selection seem to have exerted selective pressures of their own.

But organisms dont necessarily "evolve constantly". The norm seems to be "punctuated equilibrium":a brief period of fast change followed by a long period when the organism stays the same because it has become adapted to its environment.



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08 Apr 2016, 8:33 pm

I wonder what will be the next thing that kicks off the evolve genes again.



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08 Apr 2016, 8:36 pm

Yigeren wrote:
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This is a silly argument to have. Nobody is ever going to convince anyone else so why bother? :?


I think that there is a consensus that the starting point was inorganic crustal material of the earth (ie dirt, mud, ooze, soup). The only disagreements are in how long it took, and in how many intermediate steps, did it take to get to the end point (man). Was it just one magic step, or was it through many steps over billions of years?


I don't even agree with that. There isn't enough evidence at this point. There needs to be a lot more research to convince me that we developed from "primordial soup" or anything else, including God or dust. The only thing concerning our creation that I believe right now is that we have evolved and are continuing to evolve.


Well..I believe that we evolved from other species, which in turn came from other living species. I believe that its proven that we are related to all other life forms on earth. So the only question is:did life itself start on earth, or did it get planted here from elsewhere in the Universe (panspermia)?. The linneage of life goes back almost to the earths formation. But could it go back farther than the earth itself? I doubt it, but if it did it cant go back to the beginning of the Universe itself because farther back than a couple generations of steller evolution you would not have heavier elements like carbon to make living cells out of or to make solid planets for living things to walk, or swim upon. Life MUST have come from nonlife. So we must have been "fashioned from mud" (either mud on earth, or another planet)so to speak one way or the other. Whether a God was involved, or not is an open question.



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08 Apr 2016, 8:44 pm

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I wonder what will be the next thing that kicks off the evolve genes again.



Some say that in effect we humans will turn ourselves into the next GMO. We will start to deliberately engineer ourselves. Scary.

But even without deliberate test tube engineering one can image selective pressure coming into play to effect human evolution.



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08 Apr 2016, 9:18 pm

I don't care if I'm "Captain Obvious."

Sometimes, Obviosity could be very illustrative.

Much better than being obfuscating.



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08 Apr 2016, 9:48 pm

^^^^Image



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09 Apr 2016, 12:17 pm

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^^^^Image

There is no way to avoid sounding snarky so I will just go ahead.

The word "propaganda" just means "preaching an opinion".

Everyone in the Western World(whether they are believers or not) is aware that the purpose of the Bible is to preach a pov. Thats why every preacher in the western world every Sunday in the last 2000 years uses the Bible in preaching.

So it cant possibly be newsworthy to you to learn that the purpose of the Bible is to preach something.



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09 Apr 2016, 6:43 pm

What I found most interesting .. is that GOD actually required something to make humans.

This indicates GOD is not all powerful.



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09 Apr 2016, 6:55 pm

Dust and Ribs.


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09 Apr 2016, 8:52 pm

is the dark force [satan, Beelzebub, old nick et al] fully the complement of the light force [god, Yahweh et al]? does yin/yang apply to the macro level of the metaverse?