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03 May 2016, 11:31 pm

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I'm sure we'll soon get to hear about the newspeak definition of "racism", the one that says only white people can be racists, while everyone else is just "biased".


That's what the SJW's have planned for all of us. Go with the flow or be tossed in prison, much like Europe. Or should I say, much like the old Soviet Union. What a fantastic irony. Russia is looking more and more like how America used to be, while the West is drifting towards Soviet dystopia. What a clusterf*ck.


Well, from a European point of view, America looks more like it did during the 1890ies, Russia is much the same as it has always been, poor and totalitarian, and Europe is becoming more like America.

It seems to me you are fighting the same battle as the offended crew are, just from the other side. Does anybody even care where the money goes, or is it just moral battles until death?



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04 May 2016, 12:02 am

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You know, getting back to what differentiates SJWs from garden variety liberals, I forgot offense seeking behavior, i.e. looking for reasons to get offended, as being offended is the source of their power.



Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.



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04 May 2016, 3:41 am

Aprilviolets wrote:
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You know, getting back to what differentiates SJWs from garden variety liberals, I forgot offense seeking behavior, i.e. looking for reasons to get offended, as being offended is the source of their power.

Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.


It has reached the point that parody of SJWs is impossible, because they're a complete web of self-parody:

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No, my dear. You're constantly offended because you're a shrew. :D


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04 May 2016, 4:54 am

I prefer the term "Progressive" and "decent human being" and "someone with empathy"



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04 May 2016, 5:03 am

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I prefer the term "Progressive" and "decent human being" and "someone with empathy"

Hey, I asked for literal, not more what they'd like you to think they are but are the exact opposite of. :)

Truly, all these are the exact opposite of what they are.



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04 May 2016, 6:16 am

Cup wrote:
I prefer the term "Progressive" and "decent human being" and "someone with empathy"


I'm not sure this applies. There is a huge difference between talking about something and actually doing something.

I just read this article. It perfectly describes the problem, in a context of racism.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... umberbatch

"As someone who, as an adult, has been stupid enough to ask gay men about their girlfriends and Jews how they enjoyed Christmas, I believe everyone has the right to misspeak, be set right, apologise and then carry on about their business. If that whole process is conducted in a spirit of generosity, then who knows? We might even learn something.

But if it’s not, all we have is an almighty game of gotcha with considerable collateral damage. "

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04 May 2016, 9:39 am

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04 May 2016, 11:17 am

Drake wrote:
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I prefer the term "Progressive" and "decent human being" and "someone with empathy"

Hey, I asked for literal, not more what they'd like you to think they are but are the exact opposite of. :)

Truly, all these are the exact opposite of what they are.


It is really gross how anytime a gender and sexual minority, a woman, or a survivor of trauma wants to be part of the conversation you dismissively slap this label of SJW on them and people who agree with them.



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04 May 2016, 11:22 am

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They are quite literally cultural Marxists, useful idiots led astray by the Communist agitators we employ in academia.


These are all just red baiting snarl words. You're not making a point you are just asserting that. You're engaging in MccArthyism.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

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Cultural Marxism refers to two things:
First, extremely rarely, "Cultural Marxism" refers to the application of Marxist ideology and/or critical theory to social sciences.

Second, much more commonly, "Cultural Marxism" is used as a snarl word by reactionaries to red-bait anyone with progressive tendencies. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers in media, academia, and science are engaged in a decades-long plot to undermine Western culture. Perhaps with some "Sexual Bolshevism" thrown in for good measure.

The conspiracist usage originated in Nazi Germany, where Kulturbolschewismus ("Cultural Bolshevism") was used as a political term of abuse, as well.[1] The Nazis being the Nazis, they of course often mixed it with their idea that all Bolshevism was a Jewish plot.

So if anyone rants about "Cultural Marxists taking over culture!", kindly remind them that they're literally spouting Nazi propaganda.


So yeah, "SJW", "Cultural Marxism", "SCUM" whatever are just loaded petty insults that are being used to silence and dismiss anyone who has opinion that is contrary to patriarchy and white privilege.



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04 May 2016, 11:36 am

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Let us call them do-gooders. Do-gooders are one of the most dangerous and pestilential groups of people on the planet.


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04 May 2016, 12:03 pm

Cup wrote:
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I prefer the term "Progressive" and "decent human being" and "someone with empathy"

Hey, I asked for literal, not more what they'd like you to think they are but are the exact opposite of. :)

Truly, all these are the exact opposite of what they are.


It is really gross how anytime a gender and sexual minority, a woman, or a survivor of trauma wants to be part of the conversation you dismissively slap this label of SJW on them and people who agree with them.

I'm not going to call you an SJW yet, but you started out with a line parroted by such people, word for word, so you're not off to a good start. And a link to rational wiki, you're really, really not off to a good start.



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04 May 2016, 10:04 pm

Cup wrote:
It is really gross how anytime a gender and sexual minority, a woman, or a survivor of trauma wants to be part of the conversation you dismissively slap this label of SJW on them and people who agree with them.


Uh, if you'd bothered to read the thread before posting, you'd have noticed that we're not talking about any of those people, we're talking about fragile college students and annoying white people on twitter...


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05 May 2016, 5:43 am

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Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.

Good!



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05 May 2016, 5:53 am

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Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.

Good!

Yes let's spoil the fun for hundreds of people on the off chance someone might get offended.



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09 May 2016, 12:18 pm

Drake wrote:
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Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.

Good!

Yes let's spoil the fun for hundreds of people on the off chance someone might get offended.

Let me reword that for you.. "Let's promote a specific religion in public school so that everyone who isn't a Christian feels like a persecuted minority". Christians often make the mistake of thinking that secularism is the pursuit of a public sphere in which people won't get offended. This is not the case whatsoever.



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09 May 2016, 1:14 pm

AspE wrote:
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Or being offended on the behalf of others which is what is happening here in Australia, kids can't have Christmas carols at school in case it offends anyone from a certain religion.

Good!

Yes let's spoil the fun for hundreds of people on the off chance someone might get offended.

Let me reword that for you.. "Let's promote a specific religion in public school so that everyone who isn't a Christian feels like a persecuted minority". Christians often make the mistake of thinking that secularism is the pursuit of a public sphere in which people won't get offended. This is not the case whatsoever.

Nobody should be pressured to take part in it or made to feel bad for not doing so. And as long as that is so, there is no reason to be offended. And if they still are, well tough.

Also, who says only Christmas must be celebrated? There is a large Muslim minority where I live, and not only did the schools celebrate Christmas while I was there, they also celebrated Eid. And everyone got along on those days. Everyone gets their time rather than no one getting it. And sure it felt weird on Eid days, and I felt roped in at times, and yes they got to sing their songs while the rest of us were just sat there feeling out of place, but that was their time. Everyone got their time. And we still all got to tuck into the food put out on Eid, and it made for a break from the daily grind, something different. If neither is celebrated, everyone loses. Just another day at school like all of the others. Nobody was shoving Christianity or Islam down anyone's throat on these particular days.