Trump says Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict'

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07 Jun 2016, 7:45 pm

I just wish there were one Truth--not a supposed Truth from the viewpoint of the Left or the Right.

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07 Jun 2016, 7:52 pm

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The Detroit auto industry collapsed because of corporate greed, and by the machinations of right wing plutocrats.

Did it now? All those billions in pension liabilities had nothing to do with it?

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I fail to see how anyone but the heads of big corporations see any prosperity when everyone else is working for starvation wages, and still have a strong national economy.

You fail to see a lot of things, I don't see why this time should be any different.

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How about passing laws forbidding corporations from betraying the American people by outsourcing to other countries?

Why do you hate poor non-Americans so much? Poor people in other countries get better opportunities, Americans get consumer goods we can afford, and stockholders get dividends, where's the problem?

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07 Jun 2016, 7:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I just wish there were one Truth--not a supposed Truth from the viewpoint of the Left or the Right.

The thing a lot of liberal types never seem to get, is that for people who aren't fellow liberals, all the news is like Fox News, except they don't get called on it as often as Fox.

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07 Jun 2016, 9:04 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I just wish there were one Truth--not a supposed Truth from the viewpoint of the Left or the Right.

There's only objective fact and opinion. Objective fact has no bias (although it can be framed to support a biased opinion). Opinion breaks down into far more than left and right. Unfortunately the persecution complex so many on the right demonstrate means that even objective fact 'has a liberal bias' when it disagrees with their conclusions. Sadly, due to the echo chamber there's now fact, and what informs those who dwell in the echo chamber.

And if one's final attempt at a rebuttal is 'well, I don't care what's objectively true, my original fantasy-based conclusion is my reality' they're full-on admitting to have no interest in the fact-based world. Unfortunately you can't have constructive dialogue with those who dismiss reality.

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07 Jun 2016, 9:29 pm

[quote="funeralxempire"Unfortunately the persecution complex so many on the right demonstrate means that even objective fact 'has a liberal bias' when it disagrees with their conclusions. Sadly, due to the echo chamber there's now fact, and what informs those who dwell in the echo chamber.[/quote]

Unfortunately, the right has far from a monopoly on echo chambers. Ever interrupted someone's rant about climate change and scientific consensus to ask them about their opinions on GMOs? Never gets any less funny.

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07 Jun 2016, 9:57 pm

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Donald Trump's racism is not only direct at Mexicans, but Muslims as well. By extension, it's directed at Hispanics and Middle-Easterners too.

I do not want a racist president. Nor do I want a president who is contemptuous of women, hourly workers, and anyone who holds a diverging or opposing opinion.

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08 Jun 2016, 1:13 am

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

The Detroit auto industry collapsed because of corporate greed, and by the machinations of right wing plutocrats.

Did it now? All those billions in pension liabilities had nothing to do with it?

Kraichgauer wrote:

I fail to see how anyone but the heads of big corporations see any prosperity when everyone else is working for starvation wages, and still have a strong national economy.

You fail to see a lot of things, I don't see why this time should be any different.

Kraichgauer wrote:

How about passing laws forbidding corporations from betraying the American people by outsourcing to other countries?

Why do you hate poor non-Americans so much? Poor people in other countries get better opportunities, Americans get consumer goods we can afford, and stockholders get dividends, where's the problem?

The problem rests in the loss of high wages and good benefits American workers had depended on.
And no, I don't hate foreign poor people. Far from it, they are terribly exploited by the same corporate sons-of-b!tches who sold American workers out, and I really feel for them. I say we resurrect the old Industrial Workers Of The World's dream of a world wide labor movement, so all workers can benefit from the fruit of their labors.
As for pension liabilities - well, corporations had made a contract with their workers. But even so, it's obviously counterproductive to leave American workers high and dry - benefits could be scaled down through negotiations without getting rid of them all together.

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08 Jun 2016, 1:15 am

nurseangela wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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nurseangela wrote:

First, to the OP, put up an article that can be read without having to be bought. Second, the judge SHOULD NOT be on the case - he is a member of La Raza. Trump is right. I'm tired of this damn racist crap - it is total BS! I say kick this judge's ass right across the border along with the rest of the illegals and get that damn wall built!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... ot-racist/

If you booted the judge into Mexico, he'd be an immigrant, as he's a born American citizen.
If you want to convince the rest of us that we're wrong, I'd suggest you cite something considerably more reliable than Breitbart.

No, I will not cite another source. What I learned is that no matter what source I cite it will never be good enough for the Left. I know in my own mind and heart that Trump is right and I don't really give a damn if anyone else does or not. And yes, the judge should be off the case because it is a conflict of interest. Look up "La Raza" and then get back to me.

Actually, we would be very satisfied if you could find a source that is known to be unbiased, or even left leaning.

I mean no disrespect when I say this because I like you as a person, Kraichgauer, but my lot in life is not to make the Left satisfied - at least not anymore. Any news article that is Left-leaning wouldn't be telling the truth from the Right, would it? It's actually very hard to find a Right media as all of the media is Left biased. That is why the Left always gets away with the crap it pulls - because the media doesn't report anything negative on the Democratic side if it can help it.

Then go for unbiased.

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08 Jun 2016, 8:10 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

This is really going to be an interesting election.

Historic....for all the wrong reasons.

Trump makes obviously idiotic statements...and he's still standing. I don't get it!

Tump is a master manipulator.

He uses emotion , not reason.

You need to look at the emotional message he conveys, not the "idiotic" reasoning of those messages.

Human decision making is considered primarily based on emotion.

"Decisions Are Emotional, not Logical: The Neuroscience behind Decision Making"
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/deci ... ion-making

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08 Jun 2016, 9:56 am

nurseangela wrote:

So, you don't believe anyone in the media has integrity?

Wow. That's a pretty sad and scary world you live in.

No wonder you are happiness challenged...

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08 Jun 2016, 10:02 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

This is really going to be an interesting election.

Historic....for all the wrong reasons.

Trump makes obviously idiotic statements...and he's still standing. I don't get it!

For once, we agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsqKyv86pEY

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08 Jun 2016, 10:38 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Nobody's saying that. ".

The OP used the word "policies".

Kraichgauer wrote:

[Rather, all people of a certain ethnic background shouldn't be demonized because of the actions of a criminal element among them, as racists do. And that racist perception shouldn't be the basis of national policy.

Trump isn't demonizing anyone.

We have a problem.

The worst of humanity is entering the country illegally.

They kill, rape, kidnap, molest, run drugs, break into people's homes, car-jack ...

Understandably, because they're very poor, uneducated and likely don't speak English.

This doesn't happen with Canadians, because they aren't poor, are educated, and speak English.

Overtly, this has nothing to do with race.

Yes if someone is poor and doesn't speak English they must be a criminal :roll:

I imagine 'the worse of humanity' exists all over the world...its not like there aren't rapists, murderers, theives and such born right here in the U.S.

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08 Jun 2016, 12:46 pm

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Yes if someone is poor and doesn't speak English they must be a criminal :roll:

I imagine 'the worse of humanity' exists all over the world...its not like there aren't rapists, murderers, theives and such born right here in the U.S.

You're trying to make a silly argument that there's no link between poverty and crime? :roll:

Our illegal aliens are the worst, because they get released back into society without a trial.

We put illegal alien murders/rapists/thieves back on the streets.

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08 Jun 2016, 1:36 pm

It amazes me any Americans payed enough attention to Trump to reach a point where you have no choice but to pay attention to him.

It seems that being racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted and many other things doesn't disqualify you from being the US president. Yet being a Muslim almost certainly would.

This should give pause for thought at least.

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08 Jun 2016, 1:39 pm

Mbowx wrote:

18 presidents have owned slaves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P ... ned_slaves

Add in the ones who authorized the slaughter of Indians or foreign wars and ....

Trump is a light-weight.

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08 Jun 2016, 4:07 pm

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Mbowx wrote:

18 presidents have owned slaves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P ... ned_slaves

Add in the ones who authorized the slaughter of Indians or foreign wars and ....

Trump is a light-weight.

I like to think that our level of civilization has increased since those days. By today's standards, Trump is pretty bigoted.

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