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07 Jul 2016, 12:07 pm

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Evidence?

Just look... everywhere.

Yeah, I figured you'd say that. If it's everywhere, why can't you give a single solitary example?


We went through this before. I provided plenty of evidence already. Like I said before, ignoring I doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And I refuted it. You need something new.


No you didn't.



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07 Jul 2016, 12:22 pm

How nice for you ASPE

I almost shot at a traffic stop for reaching for registration.


but unlike some foo trying to run/resist arrest /or simply fail to comply when officer already snapped off his holster loose and had hand on to draw? I kept my yap shut, froze when he said "hold" and took my unfair ticket quietly to only later return to court about it and win.

I was 20 something with pink streak in hair, heavily tinted AZ registered new Camaro with an ugly gold plate holder and a deadhead sticker (not my doing- I loathe that band). I looked pretty white in that time period.
If I had insisted on reaching for registration he would have capped my "white privilege right there na dmy "rights" permanently terminated.

I have been profiled several times but remained calm and was sent on my way.
It is my ex welsh/russian whiter than white that got the most violations written. But he had a juvie history. He also is a big mouth and has aggressive body language. If he had been the one in Camaro that day he would be worm food.
He also has been beaten by cops twice in his life.


The radicalization of the media is making people stupid in traffic stops because their "rights" . Specially if ethnic.
My Ethnic /Citizenship right is to fight unfair application of law, specially if on bias. NOT get myslef shot dead by making a cop invoke the deadly force standard. as I posted elsewhere google Chris rock "how not to get shot by the Po-lice". Sadly funny and correct.


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07 Jul 2016, 12:54 pm

Gingerpickles

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -black-men

This says that black men are killed at five times the rate of white men in 2015. Now were black men 5 times more likely to provoke a police shooting by their own actions? Or do we have a problem with racism in police departments? I personally see it as the latter.



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07 Jul 2016, 1:24 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
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Evidence?

Just look... everywhere.

Yeah, I figured you'd say that. If it's everywhere, why can't you give a single solitary example?


We went through this before. I provided plenty of evidence already. Like I said before, ignoring I doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And I refuted it. You need something new.


No you didn't.

Ok.


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07 Jul 2016, 1:29 pm

gingerpickles,
Didn't know being a fool was a capital offense. The police should be disarmed .



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07 Jul 2016, 1:32 pm

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -black-men

This says that black men are killed at five times the rate of white men in 2015. Now were black men 5 times more likely to provoke a police shooting by their own actions? Or do we have a problem with racism in police departments? I personally see it as the latter.

Actually, statistics also show that a vast majority of homicides in the black community are committed by other black people. This number is also much, much higher than the number of black people killed by police in justified and unjustified cases. Also, black people committed more murders and robberies than white people in 2013, despite them being only 13% of the population. So it makes sense that more of them would be in a situation where a cop might shoot them.

Before I get pounced on, I want to say that this can be largely attributed to past systemic racism, which is obviously what led to the high poverty rates and therefore high crime rates in the first place. However, the systemic discrimination that exists currently is based on class, not race. Though clearly black people got the short end of the stick there.


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07 Jul 2016, 1:59 pm

L_Holmes,

I won't pounce on you for that because I largely agree. It is due to systematic racism that existed invaded every part of our government. Now this has improved greatly but we're still trying to shake out the rest of the racism left hardwired into the system. This includes the police force. And yes it is becoming more and more about class but that still doesn't fully explain the disparity in treatment.

Now I do think some of the things you mentioned do increase the likely hood of a black person getting shot but not to the degree it is at now. Especially when you juxtapose similar incidents of whites interacting with police and blacks interacting with police.



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13 Jul 2016, 9:13 am

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Actually, statistics also show that a vast majority of homicides in the black community are committed by other black people. This number is also much, much higher than the number of black people killed by police in justified and unjustified cases. Also, black people committed more murders and robberies than white people in 2013, despite them being only 13% of the population. So it makes sense that more of them would be in a situation where a cop might shoot them.

Before I get pounced on, I want to say that this can be largely attributed to past systemic racism, which is obviously what led to the high poverty rates and therefore high crime rates in the first place. However, the systemic discrimination that exists currently is based on class, not race. Though clearly black people got the short end of the stick there.


There is no correlation between community violence and the violence of police responses.


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15 Jul 2016, 2:20 pm

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15 Jul 2016, 2:30 pm

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I think that you have the wrong thread.
The one about Trump's new running mate is in "Current Events".
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17 Jul 2016, 5:42 am

I am a proudhonist and proudhonists while socially liberal are usually left wing gun nuts who hate sjws.