Is BLM really talking about black-on-black crime?

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You're putting words in my mouth. MLK has nothing to do with BLM. The current state of affairs is not at all the same as it was at the time of the civil rights movement, and you're delusional if you think it is.

No one from BLM is responsible for any shootings. And the so-called riots were nothing like what happened after Michael Brown was shot in Ferguson. In fact it was nothing like what happens after some sports teams win. If it weren't for this outlet, those people might be burning down businesses. By hateful rhetoric, I guess that's comparing police to pigs? Just a sign of disrespect and understandable anger. I know you can't ignore it because black people are speaking out and that's unforgivable in your mind.

It's the same struggle. Exactly the same.

Yes, some progress has been made, and some has been lost (Republicans suppressing voting rights).

I have continually said in previous threads that there are problems (like black-on-black crime, poverty, education etc.) that I believe should be priorities of the Black Lives Matter movement, but do not seem to be. Instead, they seem to focus all their attention on racism in the police, as well as in society in general. I have yet to see much evidence supporting that there is a lot of racism in the police, but I am willing to grant that there is at least some.

However, this still does not mean that it should be the major focus of BLM. According to mappingpoliceviolence.org, at least 102 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2015. Some of them seem like they were probably justified, some of them seem questionable, and some of them look outright inexcusable. But either way, the fact remains that 102 is not a very large number, especially when compared to the victims of black crime.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43

As you can see, the majority of murders and robberies in 2013 were committed by black people, despite them being only 13.2% of the population. They are also disproportionately represented in almost every other category. Not only that, but the leading cause of death for young black males ages 15-34 is homicide, committed largely by other black males. That, to me, seems like a much bigger problem than 102 unjustified and justified shootings.

You would think this would be cause for alarm for a group called "Black Lives Matter". Many people tell me that it is, that they are talking about it, and that I'm just assuming that they can't care about both issues (which I never said). But lets see what the official Black Lives Matter website, founded by the creators of the original hashtag, has to say about that.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-mi ... -movement/

Here, they will explain my "misconception" that they don't care about their own people killing each other.



"In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate."
Apparently Black Lives Matter thinks they can take credit for movements they didn't have anything to do with in order to say they care. Already we're off to a great start.

"However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people."
I acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. That is irrelevant. It's not the fact that black people kill other black people that is the problem; it is the sheer number of black people being killed by other blacks that is startling. Like I said, it's the leading cause of death in black males ages 15-34. Blacks commit more homicides than whites despite being only 13.2% of the population. But BLM conveniently leaves that little tidbit out. Probably because it doesn't fit their narrative that the problem is actually white racism.

"The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology."
First they call it a diversionary tactic from white racism and then there it is: BLM refuses to admit that the black community should take any responsibility for the crimes committed within their community. Yeah, that certainly sounds like they support talking about solutions.

"Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people."
BLM just said the solution is not to demonize people. I guess cops aren't people then, because BLM demonizes the heck out of them.

So there you have it. The official BLM website says it doesn't care about black-on-black crime, because according to them: while it is a teeny problem, the REAL problem is systemic racism. They fail to explain how that is actually the case. But come on, how could you expect that from them? I mean, they're black, and they live in America. They probably don't have much time to think about such things as logic and evidence, what with all the racist white police prowling about, who would love nothing more than to drag them into the street and beat them to death. They're everywhere!

Some progress? Our commander in chief is black! Are you seriously that deluded that you think only a bit of progress has been made? Discrimination is illegal. It wasn't when MLK was around. Your argument is ridiculous.

You realize that's what racists say? We can't be a racist country because we have a black president? Jesus Christ.

I've shown supernatural restraint and I won't apologize for anything.

Supernatural restraint? That's what you call constant, blatant name-calling, repeatedly making insinuations of racism about someone who's said nothing racist, and just generally ignoring the argument being made?

Supernatural restraint? That's what you call constant, blatant name-calling, repeatedly making insinuations of racism about someone who's said nothing racist, and just generally ignoring the argument being made?

Are you sure you're 35? You skipped past all the foreplay and went right to the main event. There's a reason the question was addressed to Kraich.

As for how cops are where I am, my experiences have varied from town to town, city to city, country to country. I find that LEOs tend to be less pleasant in poverty-stricken areas, and I can personally attest that having white skin is not a shield against 'thorough' cops.



Which is precisely what they do. How many of the 100 or so black people killed last year by cops were done so because of 'trigger happy racism'? If you wish to have the narrative taken remotely seriously, it's time to provide some supporting data.



Randomly? Are you familiar with the data the cops have on these individuals? Their known associates? Their history? Law enforcement tends to be more proactive in areas of high crime. What might seem heavy-handed to someone who has spent their life in a bubble is often resultant of an environment where police have to be more vigilant regarding their own personal safety and that of others.

You've argued that citizens shouldn't 'have' to be afraid of cops. That cuts both ways.



Although he was crass enough to throw an F-bomb your way, your implication is unjustified. What's more racist? Questioning the motives of a self-described black advocacy group, or bubble-wrapping them against criticism in a way you would not do for a white advocacy group?



As you can see, that's clearly not a problem for some folks here.

The problem with BLM is that often they are not peaceful.

- they shout in people's faces
- they block traffic
- they interrupt events
- their riots cause damage to the neighborhood

They make people hate blacks.

Shouting, bullying and rioting? Yeah, I think I know what this group actually does.

Is there any proof that white cops are just.shooting innocent blacks left and right? I've already proved several times that the shootings BLM talks about have a lot more to them than a white cop killing a black man. But that's all BLM cares about.

Again, because blacks shouldn't have to be afraid of the very people meant to protect them. Instead of dismissing their grievances as bogus, why not listen to their side of the story?

And who are you to say you know their side of the story? I'm honestly getting very sick of white people telling me about this "black experience" BS. What does that even mean? How could they all have the same experience when they are individual people? Why should I trust a white person of all people about it?

This whole idea of, "Don't invalidate their experience!" seems to be very condescending to black people. Can they not speak for themselves? Can anyone provide substantial evidence that this is their experience? Or is it just a bunch of "white allies" coming to the defense of the poor, helpless black people?

If it's true that black people go through this sort of thing happens all the time, there should be large amounts of evidence at this point. Yet the most anyone can produce is anecdotal evidence. Less than 100 black guys being wrongly shot or killed every year is not proof that there are a ton of racist white cops thirsty for n****r blood. In fact it seems to show the opposite.

Did you know that in some inner cities, it's been shown that minority cops treat other minorities worse than the white cops do? I'm not sure why, but my guess is that they grew up around criminals, they know what it's like, and they know that they can't be prancing around them trying not to hurt their feelings. They're also not under the constant watch of the media which is out to portray white cops as hateful bastards for doing their job and cleaning up the streets.