police violence and rape culture: 2 sides of the same coin?

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Islam.......is more similar to non-Trinitarian Christianity or to Messianic Judaism, which were common in Arabia, especially in the region of Hijaz (where Mecca is, surprise surprise!).

Al-Nassarah mentioned int he Quar'an was a non-Trinitarian Christian faction, and it's those (plus the Jews) what Islam consider as "People of the Book" - while Trinity is considered polytheism and hence their followers are polytheists.

That's why radical muslims were always way more violent toward common Christians (Trinitarians) than toward Jews. Before Israel, Jewish communities lived for so long in Islamic areas, while the clashes with common Christians were more common, that's why in history radical muslims attacked and burned churches more often than jewish worship places - because according to religion, Jews aren't polytheists while common Christians are so.

Can you please not derail this thread any further? Sexual violence is a serious problem in America, especially on college campuses, and you're steering attention away from it.

I believe this must be addressed as well.

But I don't believe referring to our culture as a "rape culture" will encourage dialogue.

Are we going to trot out the old "1 in 3/4/5" statistic again? Because that dead horse has been beaten into so much horse-paste and sent to the glue factory long ago, and no amount of feminecromancy is going to change that.

Are you denying that campus rape is a problem?

Are you one of those people who thinks women like Emma Sulkowicz are just lying for attention?

Women on college campuses are safer than women living in their surrounding cities.
(http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf)

Any sexual assault is bad, and should be dealt with accordingly when it happens, preferrably by the police. But spreading lies that amounts to women being equally likely to be sexually assaulted on a college campus in the first world as they would be if they we're in the Kongo, I think is unhelpful to say the least. And that's not even getting into the university courts set up that can convict a guy on "preponderance of evidence", which in practice means that if there's no evidence either way, the accusation might be counted as evidence and his academic career is over. Considering the number of rape hoaxes uncovered in recent times, University Administrations should be very careful with how they approach these cases, preferrably washing their hands of them completely and leaving them to the police.

Speaking of preponderance of evidence, I don't know about "women like" Emma Sulkowicz, but Emma Sulkowicz herself is, applying the preponderance of evidence standard, almost certainly a liar, whether for attention or not.
(http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/columbia-m ... out-proof/)

Oh, and the guy she accused is suing Colombia U.

Any individual rape is a "problem".



Terrible example. Paul Nungesser was cleared of all charges. Sulkowicz then chose to promote her unproven allegations in the form of various publicised art projects, in protest. She's most certainly seeking attention for her various advertised projects, and her claims against Nungesser have been rejected. "Lying for attention" would be a crass, yet not inaccurate description of her career to date.

Campus "date rape" is a problem. Especially when alcohol is involved.

So is "slipping mickeys."

There is the notion, in college, that guys are "sowing their wild oats." Sometimes, this can lead to the notion that a date rape occurred as a result of male hormones, and that, alone, should excuse the behavior.

Howeever, the vast majority of guys in college would never think of slipping a girl a mickey, or of forcing himself upon a girl in an alcoholic fog. They are too busy trying to better themselves.

It's almost as if guys have a "Scarlett Letter" etched into their foreheads--that they are the products of "rape culture."

Hmmm. I suppose you always believe that justice is served. Why do you believe him over her?

Although public evidence is obviously scant in this case, I'm convinced by how far Nungesser has taken his complaint in a bid to, not just clear his name, but establish that his public image was wronged by the University. There are also obvious inconsistencies in the way that Sulkowicz chose to repeatedly contact Nungesser in the time after the alleged crime. It simply doesn't ring true.

Add that to the fact he was cleared of all charges and I'm inclined to side with the various decision-makers.

I believe that the American justice system is far from perfect, but it gets it right the overwhelming majority of the time.

Or, to put it another way: You're inclined to believe her story is made up or exaggerated, because she doesn't fit the classic image of how a victim of rape is "supposed to" act. Because she chose to be a survivor, rather than a victim. Because she wanted to be heard, not be silent.

I'm not always proud to be American. But if there's one thing I am proud of, it's America's empowering women to speak of their experiences, and speak for themselves, regardless of what anyone might think. All too often though, women who wield this righteous power are accused of "attention-seeking."

Abysmal attempt at strawman. Take another crack at it.



And the story she wanted to have heard was inconsistent, frequently demonstrably untrue and nonsensical. You can listen and believe as much as you like, I'll stick to sifting through the facts of the matter and draw my own conclusions.



From the woman trying to put words in my mouth.

forget straw man, tin man, tin can, none of that matters

just two words: wishful thinking

Wow, I never thought of it like that, they are very, very similar. Thanks for starting this topic.

I will totally agree that you know more about middle-eastern culture than me, and more about Islam as practiced in the middle east, sure.

edit: and, btw, I actually agree with you that Islam as it is currently practiced in probably the majority of areas is regressive, especially towards women. I spoke out in defense of some moderate (feminist) Western Muslim friends.

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The trope that women are more emotional than men, and thus less rational, has been used to discredit and belittle women's views for centuries.

edit:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/damon-young/men-just-dont-trust-women_b_6714280.html
please note that this is a personal essay, and refrain from ad-homing it.