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nurseangela
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24 Oct 2016, 9:05 pm

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Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

You are offensive. Have some respect for the dead for Christ's sake.

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24 Oct 2016, 9:51 pm

nurseangela wrote:

AspE wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

You are offensive. Have some respect for the dead for Christ's sake.

Free speech! It's his right to be offensive, you don't have a right to be offended. PC police! :lol:

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25 Oct 2016, 2:47 am

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So, I think the suggested argument is that saying these nasty people are deplorable is declaring Trump and his other followers of guilt by association, is that right?

If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.

I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.

Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.

I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.

I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.

"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."

This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.

Catholics are Christians.

Depends where you find yourself in the Bible Belt.
Follow this link to find an alternative view from none other than the infamous Jack Chick (he can explain it all for you!):
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[disclaimer: the above views are not my own! I don't do conspiracy theory, even if it claims to be the true word 'o God]

Yeah, I've seen Jack Chick's cartoons, and the Lovecraft/Cthulhu parody of one of them that he sued over.

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Not knowing the mechanics of the law very well, I have to ask, does that mean that his ridiculous and frivolous law suit against the maker of that Cthulhu parody strip died with him? Or can his estate still pursue it in court?

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25 Oct 2016, 5:56 am

wilburforce wrote:

nurseangela wrote:

AspE wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

You are offensive. Have some respect for the dead for Christ's sake.

Free speech! It's his right to be offensive, you don't have a right to be offended. PC police! :lol:

disagreeing with people is a part of free speech too

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25 Oct 2016, 6:10 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

nurseangela wrote:

AspE wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

You are offensive. Have some respect for the dead for Christ's sake.

Free speech! It's his right to be offensive, you don't have a right to be offended. PC police! :lol:

disagreeing with people is a part of free speech too

Um, my comment was sarcasm. I thought the laughing emoji made that obvious.

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25 Oct 2016, 6:14 am

If you actually watched the debate you know that Trump muttered that "such a nasty woman" comment when she was not even being particularly nasty. In fact it was during one of the rare moments when either took a break from being nasty to actually talk about the issues. :lol: She was talking at length about policy, and he didn't have the attention span to listen, and got flustered.

But- like the nasty women comment -Hillary shouldn't have said that "half of Trump supporters are in a basket of deplorables".

Half of the supporters of either major candidate in a given election would be roughly half-of-half (one quarter) of the whole US population.

Its neither accurate, nor politic, to slander one quarter of the US population.

She shoulda said that "less than one percent of the US population is deplorable", but of that one percent- most of them vote for Trump (ie the KKKers and the Neo Nazis etc). That would be fine (both politic, and probably rather accurate). :lol:

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25 Oct 2016, 6:14 am

wilburforce wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

nurseangela wrote:

AspE wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

You are offensive. Have some respect for the dead for Christ's sake.

Free speech! It's his right to be offensive, you don't have a right to be offended. PC police! :lol:

disagreeing with people is a part of free speech too

Um, my comment was sarcasm. I thought the laughing emoji made that obvious.

I didn't realise lol

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25 Oct 2016, 12:28 pm

Bill Maher had commented on how the majority of Trump supporters actually don't fit the stereotype of underclass Americans who are losing jobs to immigrants (legal and illegal), and they aren't being marginalized by the elites, and whatever else is supposed to apply to them. Most of them in fact make an annual income of at least $71,000. As Maher says, they're just a bunch of "whiny little b*tches" who despise those less fortunate than them. If that aint deplorable, I don't know what is.

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25 Oct 2016, 2:40 pm

Jack Chick:

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25 Oct 2016, 4:04 pm

AspE wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Jack Chick died yesterday at age 92.

Thanks, I needed cheering up today!

I wonder if you were happy about the Charlie Hebdo massacre too.

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25 Oct 2016, 4:06 pm

Guy who spent his adult life ignorantly smearing Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, gay people, feminists, f*****g D&D players dies of natural causes at the ripe old age of 92 =/= an act of politically motivated mass murder.

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25 Oct 2016, 4:09 pm

Why are so many coming to Jack Chick's defense?

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25 Oct 2016, 4:18 pm

If you're happy someone died, does it matter how they died? If an Islamic terrorist had gunned Chick down, would that somehow stop you being happy he died?

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25 Oct 2016, 4:24 pm

Sometimes, people celebrate when a sh***y person kicks the bucket and can't infect the world with any more of their toxicity. There was national jubilation when Osama Bin Laden was killed. This, like the death of Fred Phelps a few years ago, is a smaller scale version of the same feeling.

Is it the healthiest reaction? Probably not. Though I'm not a Christian, I think most people are capable of atoning for the harm they've caused others, and am against retribution as an end in itself. But unless you condemned the reaction to Bin Laden's death as well, this is pious baloney.

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25 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm

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It's not the same. I didn't feel any emotion about Bin Laden's death, but he was an enemy. He sought our destruction. He had the blood of thousands on his hands.

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25 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm

Drake wrote:

It's not the same. I didn't feel any emotion about Bin Laden's death, but he was an enemy. He sought our destruction. He had the blood of thousands on his hands.

Take one logical step from Fred Phelps'/Jack Chick's "God is punishing America for the gay with soldiers' deaths" talk and you get the same thing. All they lacked was a mass movement that could carry out on a wide scale the violence they would have seen as just retribution. Even without the ability to implement it en masse, they offered explicit rhetorical support for terrorists who bomb abortion clinics.

They are in the same position as propagandists for groups like Al Qaeda. Their ideology is the same "it is just to punish those who don't believe as we do" worldview.

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