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19 Feb 2017, 7:44 pm

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Sometimes on PPR it seems some posters deliberately start to use such blanket generalisations to shift the focus when a thread isn't turning out the way they want (ie supporting their version). "You people" "You folk" "You lefties" "You Republicans" "You morons".. it often seems purposefully dismissive on PPR (of alternative points of view and people who hold them, a kind of smear tactic).


'You folks' is more proper to me than 'you guys' which people even sometimes use when referring to women. How does one address a group of people collectively in your country?

A lot of the complaints about Trump to me are totally frivolous in nature so its hard not to be dismissive of them, for some reason these are some of the most repeated. "Donald Trump tweets too much therefor he isn't qualified to be president," you get what I am saying about this leap in judgment?



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19 Feb 2017, 7:54 pm

It depends on the level of sophistication in any discourse. For example, terms like "you folk" used to describe people who have ideas that the speaker doesn't like/agree with tends to be used only at a talkback radio level. In more sophisticated discussions, the focus stays more on the ideas, "some think this, some think that, overall the evidence seems to be point more to..." or a guest might be invited to provide his/her idea specifically on their own.



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19 Feb 2017, 8:24 pm

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It depends on the level of sophistication in any discourse. For example, terms like "you folk" used to describe people who have ideas that the speaker doesn't like/agree with tends to be used only at a talkback radio level. In more sophisticated discussions, the focus stays more on the ideas, "some think this, some think that, overall the evidence seems to be point more to..." or a guest might be invited to provide his/her idea specifically on their own.


It's a cordial colloquialism to me, maybe it carries different connotations in other places but it's not considered talking down to someone here.



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19 Feb 2017, 8:30 pm

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It's a cordial colloquialism to me, maybe it carries different connotations in other places but it's not considered talking down to someone here.


President Trump has used "you folks" as a cordial colloquialism, in a positive manner. Here's a quote, with the link shown below:

"Trump said during the meeting that the tech leaders who gathered Wednesday were 'an amazing group of people.' ...
'I'm here to help you folks do well,' he said. 'You're doing well right now.' "

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/310431-trump-to-tech-leaders-we-have-no-formal-chain-of-command-around-here



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19 Feb 2017, 9:12 pm

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They constantly lie about gun control and immigration. If they lie about that then they could and probably do lie about a lot of other things. Even if only half of their news is lies. That makes them fake news. They certainly aren't. The unbiased truth only news they say they are. Going 24/7 was the end to that. It's only gotten worse since.
Want the as close to truth as you can get? On,y watch local news. Far less likely to be as biased and atleat mostly tells the truth.

It's the boy who cried wolf. Nothing they say can be taken to be true unless bunch of independent or right leaning media also say it. Cause if all news media is saying it there's a 80% chance it's true. The left media could probably make up a war and get half the population to believe we at war with some nation, if they wanted to. It's quite sad how sheep like people have become.

Or is what the left says true are we aspies all violent mass shooters?


Who says only the left calls Aspies violent shooters? There are also many on the right who say we're all faking it, and that autistic children need the belt.


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19 Feb 2017, 9:31 pm

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you folks make such incredible leaps

Trump said he Swedish once but it turns out upon further research he's German! Stop the presses, this man is not qualified for office! :roll:

fwiw the story I think was that Donald's father Fred Trump told everybody including his family that he was Swedish after WWII for decades apparently because he had a lot of Jewish tenants.


German American that I am, I can't stand a fellow German American who feels shame for his or her own ethnicity. German Americans can't be held responsible for the Holocaust, and anyone who ever did is a bigot. As I recall, it was a certain American general leading the allied forces in Europe who bore a German last name. So who's to say that those Jewish tenants would have hated the Trump's for being German?


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20 Feb 2017, 2:54 am

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I would also watching the 60 Minutes report.

I clicked on your link to the "60 Minutes" story. That wasn't 60 Minutes, the video is fake and is made to look like 60 Minutes.



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20 Feb 2017, 2:57 am

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I would also watching the 60 Minutes report.

I clicked on your link to the "60 Minutes" story. That wasn't 60 Minutes, the video is fake and is made to look like 60 Minutes.


Which makes that video... shall I say it... fake news? :P :P :P


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20 Feb 2017, 9:35 am

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I still strongly feel that most people (especially Trump and his corrupt friends) calling stuff "fake news" is just them being whiners that can't handle the truth. Almost anything they disagree with is NOT just fake because they say so.

If this leads to silencing free speech in media- it's a sign of a dictatorship, just as McCain pointed out before. The media has every right to post negative stuff especially when it IS true. If Trump wants them to be nicer, he needs to be nicer and not a bully. It's a 2-way street. Why should people be nice and lie that he is doing a great job? If the press does that, they are lying! That would indeed be fake news.

People are protesting Trump still (and they aren't just people paid by Soros and friends, even if certain people refuse to believe it). Companies are dropping Trump brand products because they are hurting in sales due to it. It serves them right. People have a choice and they are making it clear that they don't want Trump. People have every right to resist. After all- people whined and resisted Obama how much? They weren't innocent then, so people don't have to just sit back now. It's simple logic, but unfortunately too many people would rather be hypocrites. The excuse of "it's fine when we do it, but others can't" needs to go.

Look back to last year- Trump whining "I didn't say that" over and over, but the audio tapes are there. The tweets are there too. People love to discredit Twitter and the tweets/comments posted there- but when Trump uses it over and over to attack and lie.. it's proof he is using it to bully people. President of USA needs to be a mature person, Trump isn't a mature person.

Fact- he didn't want to know the full story about his daughter's clothing line, so he threw out a tweet whining about it. Another fact- he should be more concerned about how to help USA.. NOT just his friends and families, period. I once again point out how Kellyanne Conjob promoted his daughter's brand- who knows if it was because Donald told her to or not.. but she STILL did it. Very unprofessional and nearly anyone else would've been fired for that crap. People elected Trump for change- not for him to just help himself and friends.

There's plenty of other examples too. This isn't fake news- it's facts that show how horrible Trump is. The public deserves to know it and not forget. Plus Trump is still doing crap to divide, divert and distract... so congress can pass more and more stuff without trouble. They can do nearly anything now because it's all corrupt elite in charge now. Sickening. People will wake up when it affects them though. But by that time, it will be too late. These corrupt politicians are great at conning and lying.


There has been too much "whining" and just not accepting election results from most sides for a long time now. You can argue who has been worse, I don't care. Leave the "whining" to legitimately fragile people. With so many whiners, people who legitimately need safe spaces, who have really been aggrieved and people protesting legitimate issues get unfairly accused of whining.


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20 Feb 2017, 9:48 am

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There has been too much "whining" and just not accepting election results from most sides for a long time now.

I think it's not so much whining about Trump as much as concern for the future of Western civilization.



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20 Feb 2017, 9:50 am

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I would also watching the 60 Minutes report.

I clicked on your link to the "60 Minutes" story. That wasn't 60 Minutes, the video is fake and is made to look like 60 Minutes.


You are not being serious.



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20 Feb 2017, 9:58 am

Jacoby wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I would also watching the 60 Minutes report.

I clicked on your link to the "60 Minutes" story. That wasn't 60 Minutes, the video is fake and is made to look like 60 Minutes.


You are not being serious.

Have you ever watched 60 Minutes?
1) Who is the reporter. 2) The logo on the lower left is not authentic. 3) The production level is low.



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20 Feb 2017, 10:09 am

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Jacoby wrote:
I would also watching the 60 Minutes report.

I clicked on your link to the "60 Minutes" story. That wasn't 60 Minutes, the video is fake and is made to look like 60 Minutes.


You are not being serious.

Have you ever watched 60 Minutes?
1) Who is the reporter. 2) The logo on the lower left is not authentic. 3) The production level is low.


You do know that they make '60 Minutes' in more countries than the US right? This was the Australian version.



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20 Feb 2017, 10:22 am

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You do know that they make '60 Minutes' in more countries than the US right? This was the Australian version.

Well, it certainly wasn't the American.
I have been able to identify the reporter as Liz Hayes. So at least that's legit. However, I have not been able to find the 60 Minutes Australia website and am unable to verify that they are connected to 60 Minutes (U.S.). I would therefore not be able to give the story as much import as I would if it was an actual 60 Minutes production.



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20 Feb 2017, 10:32 am

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You do know that they make '60 Minutes' in more countries than the US right? This was the Australian version.

Well, it certainly wasn't the American.
I have been able to identify the reporter as Liz Hayes. So at least that's legit. However, I have not been able to find the 60 Minutes Australia website and am unable to verify that they are connected to 60 Minutes (U.S.). I would therefore not be able to give the story as much import as I would if it was an actual 60 Minutes production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minute ... TV_program)

Their website which looks like appears to be restricted to IPs from Australia for some weird reason but you can look at a cached version. I am not making up that there is a '60 Minutes' program in Australia nor was this reported faked in anyway. It's a pretty crazy video when they get attacked, I wonder what happened to the brave old man that rammed his scooter into them to save them.



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20 Feb 2017, 10:35 am

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They constantly lie about gun control and immigration. If they lie about that then they could and probably do lie about a lot of other things. Even if only half of their news is lies. That makes them fake news. They certainly aren't. The unbiased truth only news they say they are. Going 24/7 was the end to that. It's only gotten worse since.
Want the as close to truth as you can get? On,y watch local news. Far less likely to be as biased and atleat mostly tells the truth.

It's the boy who cried wolf. Nothing they say can be taken to be true unless bunch of independent or right leaning media also say it. Cause if all news media is saying it there's a 80% chance it's true. The left media could probably make up a war and get half the population to believe we at war with some nation, if they wanted to. It's quite sad how sheep like people have become.

Or is what the left says true are we aspies all violent mass shooters?


Who says only the left calls Aspies violent shooters? There are also many on the right who say we're all faking it, and that autistic children need the belt.

I remember there was a troll on WP the day before the election presenting himself as a Trump partisan and giving anti-aspies hate speech.


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