So what of this terror attack in Sweden?
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If only a small number of immigrants found a job this in not the fault of immigrants, the problem come from the host country racist culture and lack of integration policy.
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If only a small number of immigrants found a job this in not the fault of immigrants, the problem come from the host country racist culture and lack of integration policy.
I think many are working illegally under the table within their communities, Sweden has an all encompassing welfare state so there is more benefit in not working officially for most of these migrants. Sweden and Europe in general was not logistically prepared for the population they were taking in, ideologically they are not able to confront the real issues associated with mass immigration from these hostile foreign lands in a logical fashion and there has been a deliberate effort to silence dissenters for many years who have tried to raise the issue calling them racists/xenophobes/Nazis/etc.
While there was no terror attack in Sweden, I do have concerns over how officials would respond if one did occur.
Even a moderate criticism of somebody who isn't a white, straight, cis-gender, Christian male can be considered prosecutable hate speech, and Sweden is supposedly considering a ban on mentioning ethnicity in a description of a crime suspect.
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Riots in any one place are rare, and particularly Sweden, but globally they're common and unsurprising. Conclusions drawn from individual incidents are intellectually dishonest. Of course this is regrettable, but it's no basis for policy making.
10 cars burned seems pretty significant, who knows the extent of the actual damage. Sweden has a refugee problem, this is a fact but some people are still in denial about it. Their ideology cannot allow them to see themselves as wrong as they believe they are the ones on the moral and enlightened path. Sweden will destroy itself before too long with the policies it has, not a leftist fantasy no longer.
I don't think they're even close to destroying themselves, lol so there are some problems regarding immigration and refugee policy and an occasional isolated incident of violence involving a group, non epidemic level crime increases in particular areas and fairly normal kinds of problems for a country to have. Also with the way the the Trump Administration wants to go with our environmental policy, who do you think will be the world leaders in renewable energy? Probably Scandinavian countries such as Sweden.
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The popular joke theory now is that Trump's got a sci-fi TV like in one of the old episodes of the Twilight Zone, where the news program isn't today's news, but the news from next week about things that haven't happened yet.
Lol cool. I always like seeing my perceptions confirmed.
Edit: Here we go:
Allow us to share our culture with you in the interest of promoting diversity:
Teacher, 28, ‘Gang Raped By 9 Iraqi Immigrants In Vienna Attack’
A court in Austria has heard that nine Iraqi immigrants gang raped a teacher during New Year’s Eve celebrations in Vienna.
The woman, 28, said she was drinking in a bar with a female friend but was apparently “taken away” by four men and led to an apartment where five more men were waiting to begin the “humiliating and agonizing” attack, which lasted for two hours.
The defendants in the case are aged 22 to 45 and are all related to each other. At the time of the alleged attack, which is said to have taken place on January 1, 2016, five of the men had refugee status while the asylum applications of the other four were pending.
http://heatst.com/life/teacher-28-gang- ... na-attack/
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Riots in any one place are rare, and particularly Sweden, but globally they're common and unsurprising. Conclusions drawn from individual incidents are intellectually dishonest. Of course this is regrettable, but it's no basis for policy making.
10 cars burned seems pretty significant, who knows the extent of the actual damage. Sweden has a refugee problem, this is a fact but some people are still in denial about it. Their ideology cannot allow them to see themselves as wrong as they believe they are the ones on the moral and enlightened path. Sweden will destroy itself before too long with the policies it has, not a leftist fantasy no longer.
I don't think they're even close to destroying themselves, lol so there are some problems regarding immigration and refugee policy and an occasional isolated incident of violence involving a group, non epidemic level crime increases in particular areas and fairly normal kinds of problems for a country to have. Also with the way the the Trump Administration wants to go with our environmental policy, who do you think will be the world leaders in renewable energy? Probably Scandinavian countries such as Sweden.
You shouldn't pay so much heed to Al Gore-styled fear mongering about global warming, it's not going to happen like the 'Day After Tomorrow'. FWIW Norway is one of the foremost oil exporters in the world, Denmark also exports a lot of North Sea oil. You are listening to the people who want to dismiss the problems these countries have for ideological reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_St ... l_assaults
sometimes even fake news lets one slip
http://archive.is/7hbfd
Many journalists around the world are eager to condemn Donald Trump no matter what. When he tweeted about immigration in Sweden few days ago, the social media exploded. Most of the opponent said that Trump had made up the immigration problem Sweden are having. They are wrong.
Only hours later there was a riot of violence and destructions by immigrants in the capitol of Sweden, Stockholm. The police was forced to shoot with ammunition to put and end to it. In Malmö, another city south in Sweden they have struggle with gang violence and lawlessness for years. So when Trump talk about that Sweden have an immigration problem he is actually spot on.
It’s well known for Scandinavians and other Europeans that liberal immigration comes with drugs, rapes, gang wars, robbery and violence. Additional to that we see the respective nations cultures fading away, for good and for bad.
But the immigration problem is not only a Swedish predicament. The truth is, that several European cities have huge immigration problems where even the police force is afraid to interfere in some locations in these cities. UK, France and several other European countries are changing rapidly with extreme quantity of immigration. I’m not saying immigration is only bad, but a lot of problems come with poor immigration policy, as consequences we get violence, terror and gangs. The fact is that the press here in Europe hasn’t doing their job properly. There is this fear for journalists to not report the basic truth - which is that Europe has enormous problems that comes from liberal immigration politics, and as we also now can see in Sweden, but also here in Norway. But it’s not political correct for journalists to say or write that immigration in Europe is unsuccessful. When that said, most of the people that come from other countries are behaving flawless and are a gift to our society, but then again to report that everything is all good is simply wrong and these journalists should find another job, because they do not have enough integrity that requires to be decent journalist.
until the higher ups get word and order it removed from the site
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As I'm getting on this thread late, someone might have already made this point: if the rape stats for Sweden seem high, it may have more to do with the fact that unlike other countries, the victims and witnesses of rape are encouraged to report the crime, whereas in too many other countries, the victim undergoes shaming. And who says all those rapes are committed by refugees?
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Riots in any one place are rare, and particularly Sweden, but globally they're common and unsurprising. Conclusions drawn from individual incidents are intellectually dishonest. Of course this is regrettable, but it's no basis for policy making.
10 cars burned seems pretty significant, who knows the extent of the actual damage. Sweden has a refugee problem, this is a fact but some people are still in denial about it. Their ideology cannot allow them to see themselves as wrong as they believe they are the ones on the moral and enlightened path. Sweden will destroy itself before too long with the policies it has, not a leftist fantasy no longer.
I don't think they're even close to destroying themselves, lol so there are some problems regarding immigration and refugee policy and an occasional isolated incident of violence involving a group, non epidemic level crime increases in particular areas and fairly normal kinds of problems for a country to have. Also with the way the the Trump Administration wants to go with our environmental policy, who do you think will be the world leaders in renewable energy? Probably Scandinavian countries such as Sweden.
You shouldn't pay so much heed to Al Gore-styled fear mongering about global warming, it's not going to happen like the 'Day After Tomorrow'. FWIW Norway is one of the foremost oil exporters in the world, Denmark also exports a lot of North Sea oil. You are listening to the people who want to dismiss the problems these countries have for ideological reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_St ... l_assaults
Where did I suggest it was going to happen like 'Day After Tomorrow', it doesn't have to happen like that dumb movie to still be a concern. Also all concerns aside, renewable energy would still be a good idea anyways since it aligns with advancing technology. Either way not sure how you got all that out of my post.
Also I realize we haven't found a way to entirely end dependence on fossil fuels, I don't suggest we just ban oil and shut down any and all oil drilling in the world...but it certainly doesn't hurt to work towards alternatives, whilst ensuring oil collection and distribution is done safely and minimally damages the environment. So I don't see how their oil industry would really take away from them being world leaders in renewable energy.
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There are many factors at play here.
For example America and most European countries, Aggregate rapes in various ways, whereas Sweden counts four men raping a woman as 4 rapes not 1 gang rape.
Also what constitutes rape is much broader in Swedish law than in most countries.
For example in many countries "Grabbing them by the p****" is indecent assault and is rolled into assaults statistics not rape stats.
In Sweden it's rape and counts towards rape statistics not assaults. (Yes America we're *NEVER* gonna let you live that one down
Here is the Actual hard data from Sweden.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes(according to the Swedish definition) per 100,000 people,
60 in 2015,
69 in 2014,
63 in 2013,
66 in 2012,
69 in 2011,
64 in 2010 and 2009,
59 in 2008 and
52 in 2007.
-- United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).
I'll leave it to the readers to judge whether this is some lawless anarchic post apocalyptic war-zone where bands of rabid feral immigrants rove around on rape-a-thons. While law abiding Swedes cower in their homes.
Or if the rate of rape has been orbiting a fairly steady value of about 63/100,000 over the last decade or so.
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There are many factors at play here.
For example America and most European countries, Aggregate rapes in various ways, whereas Sweden counts four men raping a woman as 4 rapes not 1 gang rape.
Also what constitutes rape is much broader in Swedish law than in most countries.
For example in many countries "Grabbing them by the p****" is indecent assault and is rolled into assaults statistics not rape stats.
In Sweden it's rape and counts towards rape statistics not assaults. (Yes America we're *NEVER* gonna let you live that one down
Here is the Actual hard data from Sweden.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes(according to the Swedish definition) per 100,000 people,
60 in 2015,
69 in 2014,
63 in 2013,
66 in 2012,
69 in 2011,
64 in 2010 and 2009,
59 in 2008 and
52 in 2007.
-- United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).
I'll leave it to the readers to judge whether this is some lawless anarchic post apocalyptic war-zone where bands of rabid feral immigrants rove around on rape-a-thons. While law abiding Swedes cower in their homes.
Or if the rate of rape has been orbiting a fairly steady value of about 63/100,000 over the last decade or so.
Yeah certainly does not look like a 'rape epidemic' has developed based on those statistics, seems like fairly normal crime fluctuation. Also apparently this whole game here is looking at the worst possible areas of Sweden and then applying it to the entire country as if that is how it it is everywhere there.
It would be like if someone came here around Denver, Colorado where I live and went to the worst most dirty crime ridden area they can find and then decided that is the face of Colorado as a whole.
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There are many factors at play here.
For example America and most European countries, Aggregate rapes in various ways, whereas Sweden counts four men raping a woman as 4 rapes not 1 gang rape.
Also what constitutes rape is much broader in Swedish law than in most countries.
For example in many countries "Grabbing them by the p****" is indecent assault and is rolled into assaults statistics not rape stats.
In Sweden it's rape and counts towards rape statistics not assaults. (Yes America we're *NEVER* gonna let you live that one down
Here is the Actual hard data from Sweden.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes(according to the Swedish definition) per 100,000 people,
60 in 2015,
69 in 2014,
63 in 2013,
66 in 2012,
69 in 2011,
64 in 2010 and 2009,
59 in 2008 and
52 in 2007.
-- United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).
I'll leave it to the readers to judge whether this is some lawless anarchic post apocalyptic war-zone where bands of rabid feral immigrants rove around on rape-a-thons. While law abiding Swedes cower in their homes.
Or if the rate of rape has been orbiting a fairly steady value of about 63/100,000 over the last decade or so.
Hang on, how come you only put "per 100,000 people" when speaking about 2016?
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There are many factors at play here.
For example America and most European countries, Aggregate rapes in various ways, whereas Sweden counts four men raping a woman as 4 rapes not 1 gang rape.
Also what constitutes rape is much broader in Swedish law than in most countries.
For example in many countries "Grabbing them by the p****" is indecent assault and is rolled into assaults statistics not rape stats.
In Sweden it's rape and counts towards rape statistics not assaults. (Yes America we're *NEVER* gonna let you live that one down
Here is the Actual hard data from Sweden.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes(according to the Swedish definition) per 100,000 people,
60 in 2015,
69 in 2014,
63 in 2013,
66 in 2012,
69 in 2011,
64 in 2010 and 2009,
59 in 2008 and
52 in 2007.
-- United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).
I'll leave it to the readers to judge whether this is some lawless anarchic post apocalyptic war-zone where bands of rabid feral immigrants rove around on rape-a-thons. While law abiding Swedes cower in their homes.
Or if the rate of rape has been orbiting a fairly steady value of about 63/100,000 over the last decade or so.
Hang on, how come you only put "per 100,000 people" when speaking about 2016?
It's per 100,000 for all of the years listed, not just 2016.
