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12 Mar 2017, 3:49 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

No one is shouting.

I agree that manspreading is rude and it should be taboo. Is there also a sign saying that women giving a seat to their bags is rude and taboo?

They make announcements on the Intercity trains I've ridden, actually. Do you get out at all, or do all your ideas come from the internet?

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12 Mar 2017, 3:55 am

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RetroGamer87 wrote:

No one is shouting.

I agree that manspreading is rude and it should be taboo. Is there also a sign saying that women giving a seat to their bags is rude and taboo?

They make announcements on the Intercity trains I've ridden, actually. Do you get out at all, or do all your ideas come from the internet?

Yes I get out but you can pretend I'm a shut-in if it makes you feel superior.

I don't have a car so I ride the train every day.

This might suprise you but I don't ride the trains in Southern California. There are other parts of the world with different trains and different announcements.

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12 Mar 2017, 3:57 am

There have just been a lot of fairly common things in this thread which are outside your experience. It might have been more helpful if I'd just suggested that you take that into consideration in the future.

I don't know much about Adelaide, but I know enough to think I will fare well if we start stacking up feminists.

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12 Mar 2017, 3:58 am

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I thought tumblr made it to 60 genders? :lol:

I'll go ahead and reiterate my assertion that gender is a multi-dimensional, continuous phenomenon. People can make it discrete however they find convenient. Even if they only find it a convenient stick.

That's ok. You can believe anything you want.

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12 Mar 2017, 3:59 am

The fact that people divide it up differently proves my point.

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12 Mar 2017, 4:02 am

That's like saying belief in God is proof of the existance of God.

I'm not going to try and convince you there are only two genders, as I said, you can believe anything you want.

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12 Mar 2017, 4:03 am

jrjones9933 wrote:

There have just been a lot of fairly common things in this thread which are outside your experience.

Yes there are and that is certainly a relief.

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12 Mar 2017, 7:25 am

jrjones9933 wrote:

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I thought tumblr made it to 60 genders? :lol:

I personally only recognize there genders. Some Asian cultures have a third gender for centuries. I don't really care whether people identify with fake genders. I am more bothered by people who claim there are more than two sexes or that being agender is the same as transgender. I am also bothered by people saying you have to call them by their pronouns.

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12 Mar 2017, 12:35 pm

The thread title contains an unhealthy assumption. I don't think the OP really believes in equality, but assumes one sex must dominate.

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12 Mar 2017, 1:21 pm

I haven't been on this site in months, and this garbage is what I see upon my return. Same misogynistic shyt, different day.

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12 Mar 2017, 1:43 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

The thread title contains an unhealthy assumption. I don't think the OP really believes in equality, but assumes one sex must dominate.

This is a common belief among anti-feminists, though they would never openly admit it except among themselves.

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I haven't been on this site in months, and this garbage is what I see upon my return. Same misogynistic shyt, different day.

Are you surprised? This is WP. Don't come here if you want to have rational, thoughtful discussions. The place is a s**thole. PPR is basically just people giving apologia for their hatred.

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12 Mar 2017, 1:51 pm

AJisHere wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

The thread title contains an unhealthy assumption. I don't think the OP really believes in equality, but assumes one sex must dominate.

This is a common belief among anti-feminists, though they would never openly admit it except among themselves.

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I haven't been on this site in months, and this garbage is what I see upon my return. Same misogynistic shyt, different day.

Are you surprised? This is WP. Don't come here if you want to have rational, thoughtful discussions. The place is a s**thole. PPR is basically just people giving apologia for their hatred.

There are sexist anti feminists, but there are many egalitarian anti feminist. I personally consider myself an anti feminist and personally don't consider myself sexist. I agree with the idea that's men and women are equal, but feel feminism doesn't accomplish that. Famous feminists like Anita shut down conversation. When groups organize in a different way some feminist try and shut it down. I have seen many sexist feminist myself.

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12 Mar 2017, 2:21 pm

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Sexist or not, tou cannot be an egalitarian anti-feminist; this is a contradiction in terms. Feminism is egalitarian. Equality between the sexes is exactly what feminism has always tried to accomplish and continues trying to accomplish, hence my earlier point that feminists do far more for men's rights than "men's rights" groups do.

Care to give some examples (with sources) of these "sexist feminists?" Also, Anita is pretty mild, pedestrian and sophomoric... and also doesn't really say anything that should be even remotely controversial. Nor have I ever heard of her "shutting down conversation."

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12 Mar 2017, 2:45 pm

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Nonsense. Feminists demonstrably pursue equality of outcome (and in many cases weighted outcomes - see the "pay gap") which requires unequal distribution of opportunity - in other words, discrimination. The most prevalent flavour of egalitarianism favours equality of opportunity.

Opposing feminist ideas which discriminate based on genitalia is in perfect alignment with the prevailing school of egalitarian philosophy.

The suggestion that the concept of "equality" is anything but protean is woefully ignorant.

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12 Mar 2017, 3:05 pm

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Systemic prejudice and discrimination are not solved with equality of opportunity. Deeply held cultural beliefs like racism and sexism take a lot more work to fix than just offering the same opportunities, because even if we give people the same de jure opportunities, societal prejudices prevent them from having the same de facto opportunities.

The common analogy for equality of outcome is racers beginning at the same starting line. Running with this analogy, do you consider it just that a person born with one leg should not be allowed additional assistance to give them a reasonable chance of being competitive in the race?

Also, it's worth noting that there are entire schools of feminism which do not pursue equality of outcome.

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The most prevalent flavour of egalitarianism favours equality of opportunity.

Demonstrate this.

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Opposing feminist ideas which discriminate based on genitalia is in perfect alignment with the prevailing school of egalitarian philosophy.

When I find such feminist ideas, I will oppose them. They are exceedingly rare.

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The suggestion that the concept of "equality" is anything but protean is woefully ignorant.

Of course it is. We adapt accordingly.

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12 Mar 2017, 3:34 pm

AJisHere wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

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The most prevalent flavour of egalitarianism favours equality of opportunity.

Demonstrate this.

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Opposing feminist ideas which discriminate based on genitalia is in perfect alignment with the prevailing school of egalitarian philosophy.

When I find such feminist ideas, I will oppose them. They are exceedingly rare.

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The suggestion that the concept of "equality" is anything but protean is woefully ignorant.

Of course it is. We adapt accordingly.

Equality of opportunity is the goal of many egalitarians. I support just forgetting people are a different race. I am against affirmitve action or quotes of how many of different races should be in a place. People don't just dislike feminism because they don't want rights for woman many do it because they oppose feminist tactics. Kill all men was a big trend on tumblr. I have seen entire rallies of radical feminists. Whenever MRAs give lectures they are attacked by feminist. Remember trigglypuff, smuglypuff, and Anita.

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