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27 Aug 2017, 11:16 am

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I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.


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27 Aug 2017, 11:17 am

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I'm wondering what we'd get when looking at the flip side of "Why do some men hate intelligent women?", that being "Why do some intelligent women hate men?"


Because they've had to deal with snivelling, easily emasculated whiners who are threatened by their intellects for their entire lives? :wink:


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27 Aug 2017, 11:18 am

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I think IQ is typically proportional to age, a bit like you'll test much better to get the same score at age 25 than at age 10. I say that because I know I had a lot more horsepower at 26 than at 8 or 9 but still got the same # or something really close to it.


IQ is always relative to your cohort, so when you were a child you were compared with your peers. As an adult you're still compared with your peers, if you were compared against preteens you'd curbstomp them. :P


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27 Aug 2017, 11:30 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
I'm wondering what we'd get when looking at the flip side of "Why do some men hate intelligent women?", that being "Why do some intelligent women hate men?"


From what I've observed over the past 20 years it seems that if hurt or broken hearted or cheated on by a man, they are not keen to try relationships again.

I know women who divorced in the 90s who are still on their own. I know women my own age who were hurt in their 20s who are not keen on taking a chance on a man again.



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27 Aug 2017, 11:33 am

funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.

Knowledge = more capability to figure things out, more perspective, greater depth of understanding

so, that will all translate to more IQ



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27 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.

Knowledge = more capability to figure things out, more perspective, greater depth of understanding

so, that will all translate to more IQ


Other way around.
Higher intellect will help you make use of more knowledge, and will help you learn more, and more quickly, but simply having more knowledge won't cause you to be more intelligent/have a higher IQ. More knowledge won't inherently improve one's ability to recognize patterns, solve problems, understand, reason, etc - but with sufficient intellect one can make better use of however much knowledge they have.


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27 Aug 2017, 12:38 pm

Kim Peek (Rain man) knows a lot of things, doesn't mean his IQ is high.

A distinction must be made between 'fluid' and 'crystalised' intelligence. The former declines with age while the latter increases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_and_crystallized_intelligence

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Fluid intelligence or fluid reasoning is the capacity to reason and solve novel problems, independent of any knowledge from the past. It is the ability to analyze novel problems, identify patterns and relationships that underpin these problems and the extrapolation of these using logic. It is necessary for all logical problem solving, e.g., in scientific, mathematical, and technical problem solving. Fluid reasoning includes inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning.

Crystallized intelligence is the ability to use skills, knowledge, and experience. It does not equate to memory, but it does rely on accessing information from long-term memory. Crystallized intelligence is one’s lifetime of intellectual achievement, as demonstrated largely through one's vocabulary and general knowledge. This improves somewhat with age, as experiences tend to expand one's knowledge.


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27 Aug 2017, 1:02 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.

Knowledge = more capability to figure things out, more perspective, greater depth of understanding

so, that will all translate to more IQ


Other way around.
Higher intellect will help you make use of more knowledge, and will help you learn more, and more quickly, but simply having more knowledge won't cause you to be more intelligent/have a higher IQ. More knowledge won't inherently improve one's ability to recognize patterns, solve problems, understand, reason, etc - but with sufficient intellect one can make better use of however much knowledge they have.

I take a math class....

-I learn new ways of solving problems
-I lean the reasoning of the smartest math people in history
-I gain insight into how to model the real-world
-I lean new perspectives about the world through the eyes of a math person
-I mentally perform many exercises in solving problems (exercise my brain).

What kind of odd person doesn't see an IQ improvement? Most people do.



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27 Aug 2017, 3:30 pm

Most people's IQs actually remain rather static throughout their lifetimes.



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27 Aug 2017, 3:43 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.

Knowledge = more capability to figure things out, more perspective, greater depth of understanding

so, that will all translate to more IQ


Other way around.
Higher intellect will help you make use of more knowledge, and will help you learn more, and more quickly, but simply having more knowledge won't cause you to be more intelligent/have a higher IQ. More knowledge won't inherently improve one's ability to recognize patterns, solve problems, understand, reason, etc - but with sufficient intellect one can make better use of however much knowledge they have.

I take a math class....

-I learn new ways of solving problems
-I lean the reasoning of the smartest math people in history
-I gain insight into how to model the real-world
-I lean new perspectives about the world through the eyes of a math person
-I mentally perform many exercises in solving problems (exercise my brain).

What kind of odd person doesn't see an IQ improvement? Most people do.


Becoming 'smarter' in a generalized sense isn't the same as improving one's intellect. Gaining new skills or becoming more skilled doesn't cause you to have an increase in your intellectual abilities. What you're describing is becoming more skilled at solving math problems, not becoming more intellectually gifted. Intellect is your innate talent for comprehension, not how skilled you are in any specific regard.

In RPG terms, your INT score remained the same, you just gained levels in a skill.

We can rehash this debate endlessly, but your position will still be incorrect and only able to be argued based on altering the definitions of the terms to suit your conclusion.

In response to your closing question, the only person who would claim to see an 'IQ improvement' would be one who isn't familiar with what IQ and intellect mean - yes, the person in question has gotten 'smarter', their intelligence/IQ/intellect remains the same.


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27 Aug 2017, 4:06 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
Kim Peek (Rain man) knows a lot of things, doesn't mean his IQ is high.

Savant edge cases don't define what IQ is\means.



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27 Aug 2017, 4:07 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't get static IQ scores.

As ASD people, we memorize information, and become "smarter" as time goes on.

My IQ is the highest it's ever been, tomorrow it will be fractionally higher. :)


Knowledge =/= IQ.

Knowledge = more capability to figure things out, more perspective, greater depth of understanding

so, that will all translate to more IQ


Other way around.
Higher intellect will help you make use of more knowledge, and will help you learn more, and more quickly, but simply having more knowledge won't cause you to be more intelligent/have a higher IQ. More knowledge won't inherently improve one's ability to recognize patterns, solve problems, understand, reason, etc - but with sufficient intellect one can make better use of however much knowledge they have.

I take a math class....

-I learn new ways of solving problems
-I lean the reasoning of the smartest math people in history
-I gain insight into how to model the real-world
-I lean new perspectives about the world through the eyes of a math person
-I mentally perform many exercises in solving problems (exercise my brain).

What kind of odd person doesn't see an IQ improvement? Most people do.


Becoming 'smarter' in a generalized sense isn't the same as improving one's intellect. Gaining new skills or becoming more skilled doesn't cause you to have an increase in your intellectual abilities. What you're describing is becoming more skilled at solving math problems, not becoming more intellectually gifted. Intellect is your innate talent for comprehension, not how skilled you are in any specific regard.

In RPG terms, your INT score remained the same, you just gained levels in a skill.

We can rehash this debate endlessly, but your position will still be incorrect and only able to be argued based on altering the definitions of the terms to suit your conclusion.

In response to your closing question, the only person who would claim to see an 'IQ improvement' would be one who isn't familiar with what IQ and intellect mean - yes, the person in question has gotten 'smarter', their intelligence/IQ/intellect remains the same.

"Intellect" is not based on innate ability, because there's no such limiting thing.

The human brain is constantly rebuilding itself, and when it does, it makes new connections, deletes some, adds neurons, deletes neurons.

Be unhealthy, take mind-affecting drugs, alcohol, then your intelligence may drop.

Take college courses, exercise your brain, then your intelligence may improve.

Also, intelligence is simply decision making. Whether one's brain makes the subjective, "superior" decisions that the majority of people feel denotes intelligence.

Ted Talk: You can grow new brain cells.



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27 Aug 2017, 4:23 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
"Intellect" is not based on innate ability, because there's no such limiting thing.

The human brain is constantly rebuilding itself, and when it does, it makes new connections, deletes some, adds neurons, deletes neurons.

Be unhealthy, take mind-affecting drugs, alcohol, then your intelligence may drop.

Take college courses, exercise your brain, then your intelligence may improve.

Also, intelligence is simply decision making. Whether one's brain makes the subjective, "superior" decisions that the majority of people feel denotes intelligence.


I don't believe you've made any new points worth refuting, you're just continuing to attempt to redefine the terms to better suit your position. Unfortunately I'm not baffled by BS, but if you fail to raise any worthwhile point there's nothing to reply to. I guess since you know more than any expert in any field on any topic you've ever discussed here that I should just accept your opinion as fact no matter how incoherently you express it.


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27 Aug 2017, 4:40 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
"Intellect" is not based on innate ability, because there's no such limiting thing.

The human brain is constantly rebuilding itself, and when it does, it makes new connections, deletes some, adds neurons, deletes neurons.

Be unhealthy, take mind-affecting drugs, alcohol, then your intelligence may drop.

Take college courses, exercise your brain, then your intelligence may improve.

Also, intelligence is simply decision making. Whether one's brain makes the subjective, "superior" decisions that the majority of people feel denotes intelligence.


I don't believe you've made any new points worth refuting, you're just continuing to attempt to redefine the terms to better suit your position. Unfortunately I'm not baffled by BS, but if you fail to raise any worthwhile point there's nothing to reply to. I guess since you know more than any expert in any field on any topic you've ever discussed here that I should just accept your opinion as fact no matter how incoherently you express it.

You haven't resolved how neuroscience tells us that the human brain rebuilds itself throughout life, with your premise that people have a limiting fixed innate intelligence.

You appear to be arguing, that the brain cannot rebuild itself to increase intelligence.

Yet, we see this among ASD people, e.g., Synesthesia.



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27 Aug 2017, 5:22 pm

Chichikov wrote:
SilverProteus wrote:
Kim Peek (Rain man) knows a lot of things, doesn't mean his IQ is high.

Savant edge cases don't define what IQ is\means.


Elaborate, please.


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27 Aug 2017, 5:25 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
"Intellect" is not based on innate ability, because there's no such limiting thing.

The human brain is constantly rebuilding itself, and when it does, it makes new connections, deletes some, adds neurons, deletes neurons.

Be unhealthy, take mind-affecting drugs, alcohol, then your intelligence may drop.

Take college courses, exercise your brain, then your intelligence may improve.

Also, intelligence is simply decision making. Whether one's brain makes the subjective, "superior" decisions that the majority of people feel denotes intelligence.


I don't believe you've made any new points worth refuting, you're just continuing to attempt to redefine the terms to better suit your position. Unfortunately I'm not baffled by BS, but if you fail to raise any worthwhile point there's nothing to reply to. I guess since you know more than any expert in any field on any topic you've ever discussed here that I should just accept your opinion as fact no matter how incoherently you express it.

You haven't resolved how neuroscience tells us that the human brain rebuilds itself throughout life, with your premise that people have a limiting fixed innate intelligence.

You appear to be arguing, that the brain cannot rebuild itself to increase intelligence.

Yet, we see this among ASD people, e.g., Synesthesia.


The brain is plastic, but that doesn't mean that an average Joe will become an Einstein.


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