Why do all white males get judged for privilege?

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20 Jan 2018, 2:09 am

I think "White privilege" is a horrible message.

1. Don't worry about whether someone else has more than you.
2. Envy is an ugly thing.
3. If you are in a first world country, then your standard of living is likely better than 2/3 of the world's population. There are many billions of people in actual poverty.
4. Abraham Lincoln grew up in a tiny , one room home, and read books by candle light. What's your excuse?
5. Opportunity for personal success is abundant.
6. Blaming other people for your troubles is an ugly thing.

Abraham Lincoln's childhood home

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20 Jan 2018, 2:10 am

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Either you have zero interest in a rational debate, or you truly hail from the Bizarro planet.

Nothing left in the locker but ad hominem?

How sad.

You aren't interested in in honest debate, so go back to the Bizarro planet. Prove to me you know what that reference means.

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20 Jan 2018, 2:36 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

You aren't interested in in honest debate, so go back to the Bizarro planet. Prove to me you know what that reference means.

"Prove your nerd credentials or you don't pass my litmus test!"

Is there a depth of absurdity to which you won't stoop in order to defend your promotion of racist ideas?

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20 Jan 2018, 3:22 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

5. Opportunity for personal success is abundant.
6. Blaming other people for your troubles is an ugly thing.

Abraham Lincoln's childhood home

VERY good post. :nerdy:

ah yes...lincoln's childhood home, that he built himself with his bare hands...

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20 Jan 2018, 3:54 am

adifferentname wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You aren't interested in in honest debate, so go back to the Bizarro planet. Prove to me you know what that reference means.

"Prove your nerd credentials or you don't pass my litmus test!"

Is there a depth of absurdity to which you won't stoop in order to defend your promotion of racist ideas?

As I don't needs to prove jack $hit, I'm going to bed. G'night, Bizarro!

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20 Jan 2018, 10:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

As I don't needs to prove jack $hit, I'm going to bed. G'night, Bizarro!

Yes, Bill. We've already established that you believe the general rule about actually forming arguments to support your stances shouldn't apply to you. You're a Marxist in liberal clothing, as are most Progressives, either willingly or out of ignorance, casting anyone with white skin in the role of the bourgeoisie and the landowners, with everyone else relegated to the working class. You're demanding equality of outcome based on your racially defined class system, placing collective identities ahead of the individual.

I'll stick to liberalism, thanks all the same, comrade.

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20 Jan 2018, 4:14 pm

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As I don't needs to prove jack $hit, I'm going to bed. G'night, Bizarro!

I can just as easily say that you're a racist using arguments equality and fairness for set upon whites to cover your a$$. Then again, too many conservatives and libertarians are.

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21 Jan 2018, 6:15 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

I can just as easily say that you're a racist using arguments equality and fairness for set upon whites to cover your a$$. Then again, too many conservatives and libertarians are.

By all means give it your best shot, Bill. However, as your claim would rely exclusively on false representations of my stated beliefs, my principles and my character, you'd be risking the wrath of any mod who happened to read your post.

You, on the other hand, have explicitly stated your support for the racist concept that is "white privilege". I would probably be justified in overtly stating that you are a racist, and yet I've refrained from doing so, instead pointing out the racism of your ideas.

Do you understand how one of these approaches is conducive to reasonable debate, whilst the other is designed to silence dissent and shut down discourse?

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21 Jan 2018, 11:05 am

adifferentname wrote:

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I can just as easily say that you're a racist using arguments equality and fairness for set upon whites to cover your a$$. Then again, too many conservatives and libertarians are.

So, what's your argument against white privilege? That white people are being set upon? That non-whites are just underachieving whiners?
And just how am I a racist? By saying that my own people as a group (not individuals, mind you) have it better than other groups due to institutional and cultural racism?
Again, I can accuse you of being a racist for denying that other groups of people face discrimination that whites don't. Then there's the question: why do you feel this way?

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21 Jan 2018, 11:50 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I can just as easily say that you're a racist using arguments equality and fairness for set upon whites to cover your a$$. Then again, too many conservatives and libertarians are.

So, what's your argument against white privilege?

Already provided it. You've neglected to reciprocate.

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That white people are being set upon? That non-whites are just underachieving whiners?

Would it be remiss of me to suggest that the problem lies with Theory of Mind? You keep insisting on projecting racial motives on everyone else, when you're the one constructing a model of society that's based on skin colour.

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And just how am I a racist?

You tell me, Bill. I'm interested only in the racist ideas you're actively espousing or defending. Whether or not you're a racist is immaterial to me.

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By saying that my own people as a group (not individuals, mind you) have it better than other groups due to institutional and cultural racism?

You're so close, and yet so far.

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Again, I can accuse you of being a racist

I've already invited you to do so. Be my guest.

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for denying that other groups of people face discrimination that whites don't.

Citation needed.

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Then there's the question: why do you feel this way?

What way would that be? Is this another example of projection on your part?

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21 Jan 2018, 4:40 pm

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adifferentname wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I can just as easily say that you're a racist using arguments equality and fairness for set upon whites to cover your a$$. Then again, too many conservatives and libertarians are.

You haven't given me any answers, just a whole lot of empty verbiage.
And I will reiterate - - people who call anti-racism racist are themselves racist.

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21 Jan 2018, 9:03 pm

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You haven't given me any answers, just a whole lot of empty verbiage.

My principles were firmly established very early on in this discussion. Where are yours?

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21 Jan 2018, 9:10 pm

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You haven't given me any answers, just a whole lot of empty verbiage.

My principles were firmly established very early on in this discussion. Where are yours?

Read my posts, and you can clearly see them.

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21 Jan 2018, 9:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

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You haven't given me any answers, just a whole lot of empty verbiage.

My principles were firmly established very early on in this discussion. Where are yours?

Read my posts, and you can clearly see them.

I have. They're full of stances, not principles.

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21 Jan 2018, 9:43 pm

adifferentname wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

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You haven't given me any answers, just a whole lot of empty verbiage.

My principles were firmly established very early on in this discussion. Where are yours?

Read my posts, and you can clearly see them.

I have. They're full of stances, not principles.

Maybe those so called stances are my principles.

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26 Jan 2018, 6:37 pm

A principle is the foundation on which your stance should stand. They cannot be the same thing.

Example:

Principle: People shouldn't have violence done to them for what they say or think.

Observation: Richard Spencer was punched in the face for things he says and thinks.

Stance: regardless of what I think of Spencer and his views, my stance must be that this was fundamentally a bad thing. Because of the principle above.

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