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28 Mar 2018, 12:19 am

Pepe wrote:

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Human beings must be tempered with both logic and passion in equal measure.

What context are you using here?

What ever works out for you.

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28 Mar 2018, 1:43 pm

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They bulldozed those homes because they were done without state approval, not because they care about the rights of the Palestinians. With the cases of bulldozing Palestinian homes, they do it because they want to build the racial colonies etc.

Exactly. They were built illegaly, supporting my claim. They bulldoze Israeli homes built illegally and they bulldoze Palestinian homes built illegally.

They also bulldoze homes of the families of accused terrorists/militants who have attacked or conspired against the state. So far these have been Palestinian homes but if some jewish Israeli sect started attacking Israel they would probably have their homes bulldozed as well.

I should point out, regardless of how the Israeli Palestinian conflict started and who is responsible, it would not have occurred in previous times because until recently in history it was considered perfectly acceptable to completely annihilate one's enemy and sell the survivors in to slavery. The ancestors of contemporary humanity would find the Israeli Palestinian situation absolutely insane given that Israel could theoretically wipe Palestinians out.

Anyway if the rest of the world turned their backs, Israel and Palestine would both try to annihilate one another I'm sure. It's a shame they can't get along.

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No it doesn't. Israel have no right to bulldoze any homes in land that is recognised occupied Palestinian land under International Law.

We can have our moral and ethical objections to things and deitize the concept of rights like authority figures but people who raze homes and people who blow themselvez up on buses and take innocent people along with them seem to disagree with us.

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They also have no right to do that but they are in good company by doing that. The only other two regimes that have done that was Iraq under Saddam and Nazi Germany.

Western countries routinely raze the homes of the poor but these individuals are not even afforded the respect of having their homes recognized as homes. Their possessions and important documents get tossed in the trash and they have to start all over with nothing. Ask ASS-P about it.

My point is, there are few atrocities and crimes against humanity that are unique. It's difficult to be original these days.

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Israel won't just wipe the Palestinians out because they still have to try to be seen as the victims. They want to make life such hell that the Palestinians just give up.

Haha. You are making it sound like it's some 50/50 battle. Israel has hundreds of nukes and gets $10 million a day from the US and is sold major weapons by the US and UK.

I think you have misinterpreted my post and I think you have done so because of you emotional bias on the issue. Please re-read and I will then clarify if necessary.

I am biased about justice. It might seem that way to you when you don't understand the subject.

Yet you have misinterpreted my comment. So how can we discuss if I say one thing and you take it as another and are content with this?

I will illustrate what I am talking about.

I said... wrote:

The ancestors of contemporary humanity would find the Israeli Palestinian situation absolutely insane given that Israel could theoretically wipe Palestinians out

But you seem to have overlooked this and said..

You said wrote:

You are making it sound like it's some 50/50 battle. Israel has hundreds of nukes and gets $10 million a day from the US and is sold major weapons by the US and UK

Do you see? I noted Israelis could destroy the Palestinians but your bias has blinded you to that.

How can we discuss if you are blind to that which I say and see instead that which feeds your emotions?

You said if the world turned their backs they would both try to wipe each other out. Only one side has the capability of doing that as you know. So you kind of contradicted yourself with the last sentence.

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28 Mar 2018, 3:00 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Chronos wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Chronos wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Chronos wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

No it doesn't. Israel have no right to bulldoze any homes in land that is recognised occupied Palestinian land under International Law.

JohnPowell wrote:

They also have no right to do that but they are in good company by doing that. The only other two regimes that have done that was Iraq under Saddam and Nazi Germany.

JohnPowell wrote:

I think you have misinterpreted my post and I think you have done so because of you emotional bias on the issue. Please re-read and I will then clarify if necessary.

I am biased about justice. It might seem that way to you when you don't understand the subject.

Yet you have misinterpreted my comment. So how can we discuss if I say one thing and you take it as another and are content with this?

I will illustrate what I am talking about.

I said... wrote:

The ancestors of contemporary humanity would find the Israeli Palestinian situation absolutely insane given that Israel could theoretically wipe Palestinians out

But you seem to have overlooked this and said..

You said wrote:

You are making it sound like it's some 50/50 battle. Israel has hundreds of nukes and gets $10 million a day from the US and is sold major weapons by the US and UK

I did say try. One can try even when at a disadvantage. My comment was meant to reflect the sentiments of each side towards the other.

Though with the world watchingmost Israelis I have talked to have expressed that they just want Palestinians to leave them alone. What Palestinians want I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps their land back.

In any case even if the majority on both sides were to agree to peace the problem is the extremists on both sides. The extremist Israelis who think the entire region should be Israel, and the extremist Palestinians is saying the entire state of Israel should be destroyed.

If you want an honest truth it would have been in the best interest of the Palestinians to incorporate into Israel early on. They would have had peace and prosperity and a higher standard of living.

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28 Mar 2018, 6:25 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Human beings must be tempered with both logic and passion in equal measure.

What context are you using here?

What ever works out for you.

I like to use the context of a court room...
A judge *should* leave their passion/emotion and bias' at the door and focus entirely on the facts and use logic and reason to interpret those facts...
After the verdict has been achieved, he/she can then "indulge" emotion-driven commentary, since it doesn't affect the result...

Here in this forum, we have a choice to rant for cathartic emotional release or engage in a project of philosophical revisionism/development/verification...
If we wish the latter, reason, logic, reflection are better tools to embrace than emotion...
I.E. The neo-cortex is the tool for rational decision making, not the reptilian or mammalian brain components...

All this was discussed in the "Emotionalism Vs Rationalism" thread I started some time ago...

To re-iterate/perseverate:
If the context is a serious philosophical debate, accurate communication is required through analysis and reason rather than engaging emotion, since emotional content can/does distort reality...

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The truth is that your perceptions are often inaccurate, particularly in emotionally charged situations.https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... rt-reality

The Oracle of Truth has spoken...

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28 Mar 2018, 6:28 pm

The "prefrontal cortex" is supposed to be the locale of "higher thinking" functions.

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28 Mar 2018, 6:42 pm

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The "prefrontal cortex" is supposed to be the locale of "higher thinking" functions.

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The cerebral cortex is the entire outer top part of the brain (the part that looks wrinkled).

The neocortex is that part of the cerebral cortex (maybe 90% of it) that is the modern, most newly ("neo") evolved part. The neocortex is basically everything except the regions at the edges (the hippocampus, and parts of the cingulate cortex). It is distinguished by having exactly 6 neural layers, whereas the older non-neocortex regions have 5, 4, or 3 layers.

The prefrontal cortex (also called the PFC) is that part of the neocortex at the very front of the brain. It is involved in "executive functions" such as planning, goals, and actions. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-diffe ... -neocortex

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29 Mar 2018, 2:42 am

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But on the flip side Jews (even Jews of the diaspora) are NOT distinct from modern middle eastern people. Just like the Hebrew language has obvious kinship with Arabic, and Aramaic, and other Semitic languages, the Jewish people have many genes in common with modern Arabs. In fact they are especially close kin to the Palestinian Arabs. In the words of Italian researcher Luca Cavallli-Sforza "the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is the genetic equivalent of a civil war." Brother against brother!

In historic terminology, the conflict did started as 'Civil War in Mandatory Palestine '.

But more accurately, it shall be called the "Ethnic cleansing against Palestinians war"

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29 Mar 2018, 4:08 am

So would anyone like to offer any realistic solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Can you get them to stop hating each other? Can you get them to trust each other?

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29 Mar 2018, 4:20 am

Chronos wrote:

So would anyone like to offer any realistic solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Can you get them to stop hating each other? Can you get them to trust each other?

Sheldon Lee Cooper, from The Big Bang Theory, has a possible solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJgi-Lou1NA

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29 Mar 2018, 6:27 am

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So would anyone like to offer any realistic solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Can you get them to stop hating each other? Can you get them to trust each other?

To do the India partition solution (India / Pakistan), there was a lot of population exchange after the partition.

- Two-state solution with two area spaces enough for each population (ie. not one tiny and one big), yes, that means a lot of Israelis and Palestinians will have to move.

- All palestinian populations in refugee camps to return to Palestine.

- A multinational neutral third-party forces (hint: not the US army) to guard the borders and prevent aggression from either side.

- To prevent Hamas of acquiring long range rockets.

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29 Mar 2018, 6:39 am

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If you want an honest truth it would have been in the best interest of the Palestinians to incorporate into Israel early on. They would have had peace and prosperity and a higher standard of living.

That's a very naive thinking, Chronos, the Jewish state would surely doesn't want that demographic change, Arab israelis are already treated as second-class citizens, even if they are getting a good quality of life I doubt anyone would feel happy living as a second-class citizen.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... s-citizens

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 69,00.html

Let me give you a very good analogy: Women - Women before 50s may had a good quality of life, really, as long they got married, since their husbands had the role to provide them with money and everything they need. But why did women rebelled? What need was not being met (answer: full citizenship)? Because they obviously felt they were being treated as second-class citizens.

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29 Mar 2018, 2:52 pm

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If you want an honest truth it would have been in the best interest of the Palestinians to incorporate into Israel early on. They would have had peace and prosperity and a higher standard of living.

African Americans also refused to accept second class citizenship, and were denied the same quality of life. The difference between Black Americans and Palestinians is, black organizations largely depended on peaceful, passive resistance to gain success, whereas Palestinians have too often depended on violence and terror, which has gained them less than desirable results at best.

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29 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm

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Rubbish. There were a ton of violent black organisations in old America. For example, the Black Panther Party was a revolutionary Maoist organisation.

Nowadays, we focus on MLK precisely because he was a peaceful man. There were violent Afro-American organisations, but we try to forget about them.

When the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is finally resolved, everyone will remember the peaceful protestors. Most people will forget that Hamas ever existed.

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29 Mar 2018, 3:15 pm

Assuming it is ever resolved by some means other than total extermination of the Palestinian people, which is far from certain at this point.

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29 Mar 2018, 3:22 pm

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I said black protest was largely peaceful. And even the Black Panthers usually avoided trouble and violence if they could.

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29 Mar 2018, 3:29 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

There were a ton of violent black organisations in old America. For example, the Black Panther Party was a revolutionary Maoist organisation.

Nowadays, we focus on MLK precisely because he was a peaceful man. There were violent Afro-American organisations, but we try to forget about them.

It pains me to say this but I think I agree with you here...
(Oh the humanity)... :mrgreen:

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I said black protest was largely peaceful.

You did indeed...

I take back my agreement with you, DMK...
You were/are wrong in everything, before, now and forever more... :mrgreen:

<sigh with relief>
I feel clean again... :mrgreen:

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