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11 Jun 2018, 6:06 pm

This country will never be destroyed; it's too stubborn to destroy itself.



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11 Jun 2018, 6:11 pm

we may go out with a whimper and not a bang.



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11 Jun 2018, 7:01 pm

Don't you all feel relieved that have personal choice?


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11 Jun 2018, 7:12 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Don't you all feel relieved that have personal choice?

:huh: not all of us believe in "free will."



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11 Jun 2018, 7:43 pm

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Those conservatives who are the "haves" feel they have no responsibility to those who "have not." In fact, they'll make up reasons for how the "have nots" are not deserving of help, all for the sake of greed.


Bill, you and aunt blabby hit the nail right on the head! This country has been going down the sewer spiritually, ethically and morally long before I earned my master’s back in 1985. I got sucked up in the Gordon Gekko phenomenon about that time. It took me almost 30 years to realize that neither management nor labor gives a damn about the other side, nor do they give a damn about others in their own tribe.

In a very perverse way, I hope the Cheeto-in-Chief destroys this country. When I was working as a driver for Pizza Hut, I worked for a manager who did 2 tours of ‘Nam. His opinion is that people will wake up up once they realize they’ve been duped. I get the dreadful feeling it will be too late once we, the people, realize this. Walt Kelly was right: we have the enemy, and he is us. Also, H.L. Mencken was telling the truth when he made the sardonic observation Never underestimate the intelligence of the American electorate.


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20 Jun 2018, 2:31 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
This country will never be destroyed; it's too stubborn to destroy itself.

why do you say that?



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20 Jun 2018, 6:44 pm

auntblabby wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Don't you all feel relieved that have personal choice?

:huh: not all of us believe in "free will."

Yah, I was being sarcastic :P


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20 Jun 2018, 6:45 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Don't you all feel relieved that have personal choice?

:huh: not all of us believe in "free will."

Yah, I was being sarcastic :P

yeh, I suppose I shoulda know'd that. :oops:



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20 Jun 2018, 6:49 pm

I say that we "can't destroy ourselves" because the Constitution wouldn't allow it (I believe).

We have an excellent system of "checks and balances" which offset attempts at tyranny by either the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branches.



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20 Jun 2018, 6:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I say that we "can't destroy ourselves" because the Constitution wouldn't allow it (I believe).
We have an excellent system of "checks and balances" which offset attempts at tyranny by either the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branches.

do you think it will survive The Dotard [and his 10s of millions of minions] unscathed?



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20 Jun 2018, 7:00 pm

I love your optimism Kraftie. :D And I too have great faith in the way the checks and balances were set up. But he's got congress and the supreme court and that covers the playing field.

And I am scared of the current trend.

But this thread I believe was started by a teen, so I don't want to discourage the OP. More power to you, and may your generation do better than ours. I am cheering you on!


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20 Jun 2018, 7:04 pm

I'm afraid that someone, someday, will convince enough Americans that we don't need those checks and balances.


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20 Jun 2018, 7:14 pm

Congress will continue to be its Obstructionist self. This fact, alone, serves to derail Trump considerably. He hasn't gotten funding for his "wall" yet.

Let's see what happens this year with the mid-term elections.

I have noticed that many people who start off conservative on the Supreme Court tend to moderate their views as time passes. Of course, Clarence Thomas will never budge.

It should be remembered that John Paul Stevens, put in the court by Nixon, was a conservative when he started. By the time he retired, he was the most liberal member of the Supreme Court---perhaps even more liberal than people like Thurgood Marshall.



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20 Jun 2018, 7:46 pm

I’m too much of a pessimist to believe that the Constitution will stop the demise of the USA. Remember, it was We, the people that put him there in the first place. Menkin was absolutely right when he made his quip about the intelligence of the American Electorate. The electorate, educationally, has hit rock bottom, and will sink even lower than that..MARK MY WORDS!

I had a manager when I was still driving for Pizza Hut who made two tours of ‘Nam. He was of the opinion that this country needs to have a leader that would turn this country into a totalitarian dictatorship to wake people up to what the have lost. While I haven’t seen the dirty old man, as we employees lovingly called him (and he was a damn good manager, despite his quirks) in a few years, deep down, he was right!



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20 Jun 2018, 7:57 pm

H.L. Mencken probably said those words in the 1930s. The USA is still intact. We've had worse crises.....



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20 Jun 2018, 8:05 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
H.L. Mencken probably said those words in the 1930s. The USA is still intact. We've had worse crises.....

don't dismiss a reincarnation of the alien and sedition acts, that is in our future.