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27 Sep 2018, 5:45 pm

With MORE than Sixty MILLION lines of Legislation currently in existence I can guarantee you that I can «find» at LEAST 200 «illegal» things that you do every single day. If you would LIKE to personally see how you will be treated the court-systems, even if I bring forth absurd allegations, then feel free to provide me with your Driver's License, Address with Zip Code, and answer ALL of my questions that can and will be used against you in a so-called court of so-called law. Do you have any children ? All I have to do is find a mere SCRATCH on ANY of them then claim that you're abusing them and you WILL lose your child/children and NOT see them for YEARS without spending at least a DECADE studying the Law in order to get them returned. And you «wonder why» people have nothing BUT CONTEMPT for these CROOKS ?


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And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.


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27 Sep 2018, 5:59 pm

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With MORE than Sixty MILLION lines of Legislation currently in existence I can guarantee you that I can «find» at LEAST 200 «illegal» things that you do every single day. If you would LIKE to personally see how you will be treated the court-systems, even if I bring forth absurd allegations, then feel free to provide me with your Driver's License, Address with Zip Code, and answer ALL of my questions that can and will be used against you in a so-called court of so-called law. Do you have any children ? All I have to do is find a mere SCRATCH on ANY of them then claim that you're abusing them and you WILL lose your child/children and NOT see them for YEARS without spending at least a DECADE studying the Law in order to get them returned. And you «wonder why» people have nothing BUT CONTEMPT for these CROOKS ?

TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.

Yup.



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27 Sep 2018, 9:51 pm

The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.

It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

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And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.[/quote]


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28 Sep 2018, 7:59 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.


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28 Sep 2018, 8:11 am

AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.


I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.



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28 Sep 2018, 8:21 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.


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28 Sep 2018, 10:46 am

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.


If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.



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28 Sep 2018, 10:56 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.


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28 Sep 2018, 11:12 am

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.


But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.



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28 Sep 2018, 11:19 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.


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28 Sep 2018, 11:34 am

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.


And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.



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28 Sep 2018, 11:49 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.

And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.

Then, prosecute the individuals who commit those crimes. Almost half of U.S. citizens own firearms, and yet, day after day, their lawful firearms harm no one.


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28 Sep 2018, 12:16 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.

And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.

Then, prosecute the individuals who commit those crimes. Almost half of U.S. citizens own firearms, and yet, day after day, their lawful firearms harm no one.


Do you really think simply prosecuting them is enough? That won't bring back the innocent lives that were destroyed or make the people who lost their loved ones feel better. I think finding ways of preventing it from happening again and again would be better.



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28 Sep 2018, 12:30 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.

And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.

Then, prosecute the individuals who commit those crimes. Almost half of U.S. citizens own firearms, and yet, day after day, their lawful firearms harm no one.

Do you really think simply prosecuting them is enough? That won't bring back the innocent lives that were destroyed or make the people who lost their loved ones feel better. I think finding ways of preventing it from happening again and again would be better.

What else can be done? And, what about those families and friends who have lost others because of all the other ways people experience unnatural deaths <https://gun-control.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=006767>? Maybe we shouldn't fixate on firearms so much in answering that question.


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28 Sep 2018, 12:42 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.

And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.

Then, prosecute the individuals who commit those crimes. Almost half of U.S. citizens own firearms, and yet, day after day, their lawful firearms harm no one.

Do you really think simply prosecuting them is enough? That won't bring back the innocent lives that were destroyed or make the people who lost their loved ones feel better. I think finding ways of preventing it from happening again and again would be better.

What else can be done? And, what about those families and friends who have lost others because of all the other ways people experience unnatural deaths <https://gun-control.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=006767>? Maybe we shouldn't fixate on firearms so much in answering that question.



What else can be done? We can try to have better gun control laws! I mean seriously why are people so against that?



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28 Sep 2018, 12:50 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
The record needs to be set straight : People dislike cops not because said people are doing anything illegal/unlawful/immoral/unethical/crooked, but because they are often being punished/harassed by cops despite not doing anything immoral/unethical/illegal/unlawful/crooked, and there's plenty of evidence of it every day.
It's Time to Stop Saying – "But Cops Have A Dangerous Job"

TW1ZTY wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
And let's face it, I bet that over half the people who hate cops are doing something illegal themselves and they have a personal grudge against the police because they feel like somehow they deserve to get away with doing something crooked.
Yup.

I tell ya, get a concealed-firearm permit even if you don't own a firearm or ever plan to own one. Law-enforcement officers are a LOT nicer because: 1) they know you might be armed (so they engage gently), and 2) they like talking about which model firearms you have and engage in comparative chit-chat. Suddenly, that burned out tail light doesn't seem so bothersome to them.

I don't think I can do that because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Even if I somehow legally could do it I wouldn't want to do it because I don't believe that anybody with a severe mental illness should be allowed to own a firearm.

If I really snapped one day during an controllable burst of mania and decided to shoot somebody out of anger I would not be able to live with myself after that. I would probably even be suicidal for the rest of my life because of the guilt I would feel after it.

In the United States, anyone (who isn't excluded by law) may purchase a concealed-firearm permit (and even a firearm, too, but the two aren't mutual required) regardless of disabilities. Of course, the choice is yours, and it seems you have given the idea some serious thought. That is what is so fantastic about the Second Amendment, it is completely optional.

If it wasn't for my medication I wouldn't be thinking clearly about something like that and that's what really scares me about myself.

I really do think we need better gun control laws because of that. Some people like myself should never be allowed to have guns.

Families of those who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others may, without even informing the individuals at risk of being a danger, seek a judicial determination that would prohibit the individuals at risk from possessing a firearm until such time another judicial court vacates (remove) the prior determination. That might be something to consider if someone like yourself wants to be so prohibited.

But what about the ones who don't have any family support? I think it would be better if we did a psychological evaluation on all potential gun buyers to make sure they can own a gun without being a threat to themselves or to others.

Yes, in the United States, a professional clinician of any kind, or a neighbor, religious adviser or the individual himself or herself, may petition a state court for proactive renunciation of the individual's Second Amendment rights.

And yet we still get mentally unbalanced people who somehow obtain firearms and shoot up schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls.

Obviously what we are doing to prevent that isn't enough so I firmly believe that we need to do more. I'm not saying we should take away everyone's guns because I do believe in our country's right to own guns, I just think we should put more of an effort into preventing tragedies like what happened at Columbine or the Century 16 movie theater or Las Vegas.

I mean face it, these types of crimes are happening way too frequently now.

Then, prosecute the individuals who commit those crimes. Almost half of U.S. citizens own firearms, and yet, day after day, their lawful firearms harm no one.

Do you really think simply prosecuting them is enough? That won't bring back the innocent lives that were destroyed or make the people who lost their loved ones feel better. I think finding ways of preventing it from happening again and again would be better.

What else can be done? And, what about those families and friends who have lost others because of all the other ways people experience unnatural deaths <https://gun-control.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=006767>? Maybe we shouldn't fixate on firearms so much in answering that question.


Agreed. Alcohol.....I'll keep repeating....Alcohol.