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Are you personally offended when people criticize President Donald J. Trump?
Definitely YES! 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Mostly Yes. 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
I Don't Care. 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
Mostly No. 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
Definitely NO! 60%  60%  [ 32 ]
Total votes : 53

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14 Jan 2019, 4:38 pm

Only 6 out of 47 respondents up to this point are personally offended when people criticize Mr. Trump.

That is ONLY 12.78%.

Not a significant number.



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14 Jan 2019, 6:35 pm

You’ve missed the point



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15 Jan 2019, 5:02 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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No problem with criticizing Trump. I just don't understand why very few on this sites bash the Democrats. They are, after all, pretty much responsible for putting Trump in office. Very confusing to me.


Well, with a little help from Putin.


Some would say that's just a red herring the democrats came up with to dodge culpability.


Why would staunch Republicans like Comey and Mueller think the same thing as the Democrats?


I'd say Mueller is doing what he was assigned to do regardless of his political affiliation or personal thoughts. Comey too originally. Although he's probably personally angry at Trump now and has an axe to grind. Maybe Mueller does too on behalf of Comey.


Yes, Mueller, and Comey before him, are only doing their jobs. And Trump is certainly running scared and displaying conscientiousness of guilt because of it.


Well you asked why a staunch republican like Mueller would be perusing a red herring set up by the democrats, and my answer is because that was his assignment. So that doesn't seem to detract from the hypothesis that the collusion with russia business is a red herring. How trump is reacting to it ie running scared and displaying guilt is a matter of interpretation. It seems a foregone conclusion that those who are heavily biased against trump are certainly likely to see it that way.



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15 Jan 2019, 5:45 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
No problem with criticizing Trump. I just don't understand why very few on this sites bash the Democrats. They are, after all, pretty much responsible for putting Trump in office. Very confusing to me.


Well, with a little help from Putin.


Some would say that's just a red herring the democrats came up with to dodge culpability.


Why would staunch Republicans like Comey and Mueller think the same thing as the Democrats?


I'd say Mueller is doing what he was assigned to do regardless of his political affiliation or personal thoughts. Comey too originally. Although he's probably personally angry at Trump now and has an axe to grind. Maybe Mueller does too on behalf of Comey.


Yes, Mueller, and Comey before him, are only doing their jobs. And Trump is certainly running scared and displaying conscientiousness of guilt because of it.


Well you asked why a staunch republican like Mueller would be perusing a red herring set up by the democrats, and my answer is because that was his assignment. So that doesn't seem to detract from the hypothesis that the collusion with russia business is a red herring. How trump is reacting to it ie running scared and displaying guilt is a matter of interpretation. It seems a foregone conclusion that those who are heavily biased against trump are certainly likely to see it that way.


The indictments and convictions Mueller has gotten on Trump's henchmen says it's more than a red herring. The Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents, and the fact that Trump seized the transcript from the translator for his private meeting with Putin certainly isn't helping him.


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15 Jan 2019, 8:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
No problem with criticizing Trump. I just don't understand why very few on this sites bash the Democrats. They are, after all, pretty much responsible for putting Trump in office. Very confusing to me.


Well, with a little help from Putin.


Some would say that's just a red herring the democrats came up with to dodge culpability.


Why would staunch Republicans like Comey and Mueller think the same thing as the Democrats?


I'd say Mueller is doing what he was assigned to do regardless of his political affiliation or personal thoughts. Comey too originally. Although he's probably personally angry at Trump now and has an axe to grind. Maybe Mueller does too on behalf of Comey.


Yes, Mueller, and Comey before him, are only doing their jobs. And Trump is certainly running scared and displaying conscientiousness of guilt because of it.


Well you asked why a staunch republican like Mueller would be perusing a red herring set up by the democrats, and my answer is because that was his assignment. So that doesn't seem to detract from the hypothesis that the collusion with russia business is a red herring. How trump is reacting to it ie running scared and displaying guilt is a matter of interpretation. It seems a foregone conclusion that those who are heavily biased against trump are certainly likely to see it that way.


The indictments and convictions Mueller has gotten on Trump's henchmen says it's more than a red herring. The Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents, and the fact that Trump seized the transcript from the translator for his private meeting with Putin certainly isn't helping him.


This has been going in circles for quite a long time. You bring up the same stuff you just mentioned and then me or someone else points out that the convictions had absolutely nothing to do with collusion with russia. All there has ever been in the way of evidence, in all this time is conjecture and innuendo. I expect that to be the same a week from now, a month from now and maybe forever.... All of which supports the hypothesis of a red herring. And Robert Mueller was given the thankless job of being put on a wild goose chase. Of course that's all conjecture too.



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15 Jan 2019, 9:04 am

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Only 6 out of 47 respondents up to this point are personally offended when people criticize Mr. Trump. That is ONLY 12.8%. Not a significant number.
You’ve missed the point
Not at all. The point of this poll and thread is to see how many are personally offended when Mr. Trump is criticized.

You'll be happy to know that the percentage has increased to 18.2%. That's still not a significant percentage, but it has increased.



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15 Jan 2019, 9:45 am

Here are some interesting videos why people like TRUMP ...

Trump promised to ...
1. Lower Health care costs (ACA too expensive)
2. Pro-Business
3. Bring back jobs
4. Higher Wages
5. Ending the Estate Tax (ranchers/farmers can pass their ranch/farm to their children)
6. Pro-Religion
7. Pro-Coal
8. Standing up for the National Anthem




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15 Jan 2019, 9:59 am

Coal is an outdated commodity. We have to retrain coal miners, and probably give them "benefits" until their training is complete.

People stand up for the National Anthem---Trump or no Trump. The football players were protesting Trump more than they were protesting America.

I'm not so sure that he has "bought back jobs." The economic recovery started under Obama.

I don't believe the "higher wages" was Trump's doing; it was going to happen anyway.

Trump is only "pro-business" when it is convenient for him. Trust me, he is not pro-Bloomberg. Bloomberg is the epitome of business.

Pro-religion doesn't mean pro-morality. It just means you believe in God or gods; you might be a Hitler who happens to believe in God or gods.

"Ending the Estate Tax" benefits the rich; it doesn't benefit us "regular" folk.



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15 Jan 2019, 10:09 am

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Coal is an outdated commodity. We have to retrain coal miners, and probably give them "benefits" until their training is complete.

People stand up for the National Anthem---Trump or no Trump. The football players were protesting Trump more than they were protesting America.

I'm not so sure that he has "bought back jobs." The economic recovery started under Obama.

I don't believe the "higher wages" was Trump's doing; it was going to happen anyway.

Trump is only "pro-business" when it is convenient for him. Trust me, he is not pro-Bloomberg. Bloomberg is the epitome of business.

Pro-religion doesn't mean pro-morality. It just means you believe in God or gods; you might be a Hitler who happens to believe in God or gods.

"Ending the Estate Tax" benefits the rich; it doesn't benefit us "regular" folk.

More more rational criticism than, "He's a narcissistic NAZI".


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15 Jan 2019, 10:33 am

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... People stand up for the National Anthem---Trump or no Trump. The football players were protesting Trump more than they were protesting America...
Actually, the footballers who kneeled were protesting white police brutality against black people -- beatings, tazings, shootings of unarmed black men in the back...



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15 Jan 2019, 10:38 am

Yep. They were.

They were also protesting Trump's tacit approval of such tactics. That was "the straw that broke the camel's back," so to speak.

Cops have been doing the same thing for decades; under Trump, the football players chose to protest in this matter.

Trump was the primary impetus.



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15 Jan 2019, 10:46 am

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Yep. They were. They were also protesting Trump's tacit approval of such tactics. That was "the straw that broke the camel's back," so to speak. Cops have been doing the same thing for decades; under Trump, the football players chose to protest in this matter. Trump was the primary impetus.
Which is de facto evidence that Donald Trump is more concerned about whether or not someone stands for the National Anthem than he is for the lives of innocent people being destroyed by bands of renegade, trigger-happy, cowboy cops.

:roll: As if kneeling was somehow a greater offense than murder.



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15 Jan 2019, 3:00 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
No problem with criticizing Trump. I just don't understand why very few on this sites bash the Democrats. They are, after all, pretty much responsible for putting Trump in office. Very confusing to me.


Well, with a little help from Putin.


Some would say that's just a red herring the democrats came up with to dodge culpability.


Why would staunch Republicans like Comey and Mueller think the same thing as the Democrats?


I'd say Mueller is doing what he was assigned to do regardless of his political affiliation or personal thoughts. Comey too originally. Although he's probably personally angry at Trump now and has an axe to grind. Maybe Mueller does too on behalf of Comey.


Yes, Mueller, and Comey before him, are only doing their jobs. And Trump is certainly running scared and displaying conscientiousness of guilt because of it.


Well you asked why a staunch republican like Mueller would be perusing a red herring set up by the democrats, and my answer is because that was his assignment. So that doesn't seem to detract from the hypothesis that the collusion with russia business is a red herring. How trump is reacting to it ie running scared and displaying guilt is a matter of interpretation. It seems a foregone conclusion that those who are heavily biased against trump are certainly likely to see it that way.


The indictments and convictions Mueller has gotten on Trump's henchmen says it's more than a red herring. The Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents, and the fact that Trump seized the transcript from the translator for his private meeting with Putin certainly isn't helping him.


This has been going in circles for quite a long time. You bring up the same stuff you just mentioned and then me or someone else points out that the convictions had absolutely nothing to do with collusion with russia. All there has ever been in the way of evidence, in all this time is conjecture and innuendo. I expect that to be the same a week from now, a month from now and maybe forever.... All of which supports the hypothesis of a red herring. And Robert Mueller was given the thankless job of being put on a wild goose chase. Of course that's all conjecture too.


Those Trump henchmen who have been convicted like Flynn and Manafort all have had shadowy ties to Russia. As I've explained again and again, Mueller is getting leverage with these convictions to get them to roll over on Trump. And then there's the FBI investigation into Trump's overly cozy relationship with Putin.
You didn't address the Trump Tower meeting with Putin's agents, or Trump taking possession of the record kept by his translator when he met privately with Putin. These things makes one's eyebrows raise.


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15 Jan 2019, 3:04 pm

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Yep. They were. They were also protesting Trump's tacit approval of such tactics. That was "the straw that broke the camel's back," so to speak. Cops have been doing the same thing for decades; under Trump, the football players chose to protest in this matter. Trump was the primary impetus.
Which is de facto evidence that Donald Trump is more concerned about whether or not someone stands for the National Anthem than he is for the lives of innocent people being destroyed by bands of renegade, trigger-happy, cowboy cops.

:roll: As if kneeling was somehow a greater offense than murder.


Trump is only interested in stirring up emotions of his worshipers rather than doing the right thing, because such stirred up followers who are engaged about an enemy real or imagined are more malleable.


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15 Jan 2019, 6:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Only 6 out of 47 respondents up to this point are personally offended when people criticize Mr. Trump. That is ONLY 12.8%. Not a significant number.
You’ve missed the point
Not at all. The point of this poll and thread is to see how many are personally offended when Mr. Trump is criticized.

You'll be happy to know that the percentage has increased to 18.2%. That's still not a significant percentage, but it has increased.


But your idea that the reason people get offended is or was because people criticize trump is wrong to begin with and in no such way makes it ok for continued attacks on trump supports as it seems you imply this poll oks.
People are and we’re offended by the attacks on people who voted for and support trump.



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15 Jan 2019, 6:41 pm

Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
... People stand up for the National Anthem---Trump or no Trump. The football players were protesting Trump more than they were protesting America...
Actually, the footballers who kneeled were protesting white police brutality against black people -- beatings, tazings, shootings of unarmed black men in the back...

What’s the national anthem have to do with police? Nothing at all.
If they want to help they could donate most their millions to such causes