How Demonizing "Whiteness" Spreads White Nationalism

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I'm with you on this, Twist. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that "straight white males" as a group are increasingly vilified as a group is puzzling to me. And like you said, Twist, such people are GROUPING those that have NOT received any sort of "privilege" for being white, straight or male in with those they perceive as being advantaged.

For those who feel homosexual males are disadvantaged: while I believe that's still possible in some pockets of the country, PLEASE don't act like it's still 1960 everywhere. It's not. We have two openly gay TV news anchors in my area and people love them. I've worked with gay men and they were treated every much the same as anyone else. These were in restaurants and I would say they made more money than straight males there. They were loved. Are gay men vilified in high population areas (ie melting pots) in the U.S.? Clearly nowhere should a homosexual man or woman be victimized for their sexual orientation. Just as no one should be victimized for any reason. I think the "straight" in the evil triumvirate is losing the bloom off its rose.

The right wing who make these claims conveniently ignore that the extreme left is almost entirely (99%) white. Doesn't that seem counterintuitive and illogical that white people who came up with concepts like white privilege, socialism, communism etc are infact white themselves and would hardly be acting against their own self-interest. In other words it's pure BS as the highest level.

Non-white people are actually borrowing these frameworks from white intellectuals who developed the foundation for this type of discourse. And therein lies the most glaring factor is that the extreme left (Marx, Lenin, Trotsky) were largely intellectual whereas founders of the extreme right are classic "groupthink" like most cults.

I agree with you that the "extreme right" is classic "groupthink" because it's on the extreme end of range just as the "extreme left" is classic "groupthink" because it's on the extreme other end of the range. Different, but the same.

I thought about some of this more this morning and TBH I think something else might happen well before white militias become a big thing. It will be sane, not-extreme-left minorities who'll finally say 'the extreme left is *this close* to getting us into a race war - f' em' and they'll have become enough of a menace that they'll get squashed by their own supposed constituents that they're speaking for / speaking over.

On the bright side would be polarizing enough for most minorities to come out and say, regardless of Democrat and Republican politics and the historical voting disconnect, that most of them essentially range from conservative to center-left and that they've had it with the extreme left shouting them all down and holding their opinions or, even more condescending - their racial 'authenticity', hostage.

Yea, like most of everything I have read from radical leftist journalists/activists as well as frequently hearing from people whom think just as they do. Not only do I understand and believe this stuff because I have seen it for the majority of a year, all on youtube, in journalism news and commentators, I have also seen many commentators from various races talking about the exact same things. While these left wing radicals are a minority, and yes a lot of them are white themselves, It would be difficult to asses the racial divide among people who think like the people described in this article, they do have their grips on media and journalism. The majority of democrats do not think this way, yet the dems running for office seem to be pandering to these left-wing extremists because they do have a loud voice and are mostly activists posing as journalists. From time to time you even hear democrats talk about them and how insane they are. And as always, never supersizes me that when someone presents this kind of information, there will be some which accuse the messenger as being 'far-right', which I assume that means they are either in denial of the truth or are one of the people who have such irrational beliefs/opinions. People from both parties seem to acknowledge the existence of these radical-leftists, so is it a right wing belief....umm....no.

The trouble being most of those who would throw the 'privileged' jibe willy nilly as a reflex action ,without thinking about the individual it's being aimed , are probably more privileged than me.

Or do certain things not count when people are shouting 'privilege ' , such as those who have long term severe mental illness and Asperger's , like me , often getting a rough ride from society .

I get that some people are privileged in the real sense of the word, but just aiming it at all within certain groups, without thinking of the individuals within that group, is intellectually bankrupt.

I agree 100% firemonkey, I think discrimination against disability is the final frontier and also important. However battling stigma against all types of people is like a California wildfire where you need to concurrently put out spot fires all over the state rather than just focus on one fire (i.e. racism) as putting that out means other fires are allowed to spread.

Education must therefore be multifaceted. There is no "one size fits all" approach to dealing with social stigma and that sometimes minority groups (Black lives matter) forget that within their own community there is equally bad stigma against LGBTQI and disability. I would love to see black activists be equally enthusiastic in protesting misogyny, homophobia and anti-disability that is rampant in the black community.

Privilege is contextual and perhaps more ecomplex than those throwing the accusations. But I also support agitation at the systematic perpetuation of white dominance, as with the 1930s lots of people were apathetic and allowed the rise of fascism in Germany, Italy and Japan. Never again....

Learn from history
https://truthout.org/articles/five-forc ... m-in-2019/

It's repeating itself again

Mental illness certain is relevant, but i'm way too fukt to reply coherently at the moment. One could describe
'NT privilege' as describing those who are free of mental illness or other psychological conditions, in the same sense as other 'privilege categories'.

It does not seem counterintuitive and illogical it is counterintuitive and illogical. That is the frustrating part. The descriptions "self hating", "internalizing" "masochists" seem to apply.

But I don't see evidence of "self-hate"? they hate bad things done in the by past white people - there is a difference

To me, it’s a method of seeing why racial disparities exist instead of having an explanation that stems from racism.

Getting at the “whys” is an important part of the process of overcoming such disparities.

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Next in the series:

How Demonizing "Maleness" Spreads Male Sexism
How Demonizing "Straightness" Spreads Straight Homophobia
How Demonizing "Wealth" Spreads Wealthy Capitalism

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Hey all those Che Guevarra t-shirts aren't going to sell themselves.

Last edited by Antrax on 09 Jun 2019, 2:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The demonization of maleness slash masculinity is a far greater and more pervasive problem in Western culture than the demonization of whiteness. It is particularly a problem for Autistic people: Western societies seem to show far more willingness to accept autistic women than autistic men. And men with autism are vilified as potential sexual predators and subjected to scapegoating(not unlike black men throughout 20th century America).