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16 Dec 2022, 10:09 am
One time, several years ago, during an intense mushroom trip I found myself wondering.. why do we even have countries, borders, national anthems and identities that separate us ? 
Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet? 
Countries are stupid.
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16 Dec 2022, 10:34 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
I actually believe that is good and rich to have many ethnic groups and national identities.
I really wouldn’t want an homogenized world.
I really wouldn’t want an homogenized world.
I didn't say we all had to be the same.
I just think it's stupid that we're brainwashed into identifying with corporate colours & special songs and then kill each other over those corporate identities.
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16 Dec 2022, 11:04 am
goldfish21 wrote:
One time, several years ago, during an intense mushroom trip I found myself wondering.. why do we even have countries, borders, national anthems and identities that separate us ? Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet?
Countries are stupid.
Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet? Countries are stupid.
True.
And when you're on mind expanding drugs you realize that.
But when you come down and go back to your job, you realize that it is...a friggin miracle that humans can even cooperate on the level of a modern medium sized nation-state with millions of people, and that we have advanced at all beyond New Guinea tribesmen who still collect the severed heads of the warriors of the neighboring village.
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16 Dec 2022, 6:52 pm
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16 Dec 2022, 6:56 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
One time, several years ago, during an intense mushroom trip I found myself wondering.. why do we even have countries, borders, national anthems and identities that separate us ? Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet?
Countries are stupid.
Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet? Countries are stupid.
Excuse to rationalize tribalism.
16 Dec 2022, 7:41 pm
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16 Dec 2022, 7:58 pm
16 Dec 2022, 8:14 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Or maybe tribalism is just an ingrained part of human nature?
If it's so easy to accept that humans evolved from apes why then can't we accept that it's natural for humans to prefer sticking with their own kind just like other apes do?
If it's so easy to accept that humans evolved from apes why then can't we accept that it's natural for humans to prefer sticking with their own kind just like other apes do?
I don't disagree that that sort of clannishness is inherited from our simian ancestors, but as we're thinking, self aware creatures, we have the ability to overcome even our most innate prejudices.
I understand where you're coming from with that, but do you ever wonder if maybe our ability to think and be self-aware does more harm than good when we try to go against our own human nature?
I dunno, I could be wrong in that. It's just that I'm the type that thinks humans have abused their powers to think and invent stuff to slowly destroy our planet and make each other miserable.
I don't really understand how humans obtained knowledge and curiosity that other animals do not have but maybe we would have been off without it?
Or maybe I think too much...
16 Dec 2022, 8:59 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
One time, several years ago, during an intense mushroom trip I found myself wondering.. why do we even have countries, borders, national anthems and identities that separate us ? Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet?
Countries are stupid.
Wtf is the point in any of this ?? Why would be so foolish, as a species, to divide ourselves like this and then fight each other over these things ??? Zoom out a little and look at the Earth - it's just one big blue water orb and we're dotted around the surface of landmass poking through the seas.. shouldn't we be united in our collective survival and stewardship of our planet? Countries are stupid.
I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here, as I've never had a psychoactive experience, so I probably can't understand this very well.
But if one group wants people to live a certain way, and you don't want to live that way, doesn't that kind of explain why we have countries? Granted, it's not that easy to simply move countries to where you want to go.
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16 Dec 2022, 9:14 pm
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Or maybe tribalism is just an ingrained part of human nature?
If it's so easy to accept that humans evolved from apes why then can't we accept that it's natural for humans to prefer sticking with their own kind just like other apes do?
If it's so easy to accept that humans evolved from apes why then can't we accept that it's natural for humans to prefer sticking with their own kind just like other apes do?
I don't disagree that that sort of clannishness is inherited from our simian ancestors, but as we're thinking, self aware creatures, we have the ability to overcome even our most innate prejudices.
I understand where you're coming from with that, but do you ever wonder if maybe our ability to think and be self-aware does more harm than good when we try to go against our own human nature?
I dunno, I could be wrong in that. It's just that I'm the type that thinks humans have abused their powers to think and invent stuff to slowly destroy our planet and make each other miserable.
I don't really understand how humans obtained knowledge and curiosity that other animals do not have but maybe we would have been off without it?
Or maybe I think too much...
I thinking deep thought and self awareness has proven to be a mixed bag.
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