[POLL] Cult of the Virgin Mary.

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I see no correlation either way: it's not indispensable to cause harm, nor is it necessary to do good.

In my opinion, it's a neutral tool that can be and has been used for either good or bad, but with human nature being what it is, things that confer great power will unavoidably be used for selfish and often harmful purposes.

I agree. Religion is a powerful social force.
I believe this force very often stabilizes societes that would otherwise be even more turbulent but it's not free from the rule that Power Corrupts.

You know what I mean.

I meant the mythic Mother Theresa.

Folks like the mythic Mother Theresa.

They can find dirt on anyone.

And Hitler loved dogs, and was a vegetarian. So they can find shining clean spots on everyone too.

i am reminded of the fight in mohammedan areas over shia versus sunni.

Yes. This bickering over the Virgin Mary does remind one of that.

And it reminds one of a certain island visited by Gulliver in Gulliver's Travels. The island population was split between the "Big Enders", and the "Small Enders" (those who only break eggs on the big end, and those who only break eggs on the small end).And there had been centuries of religious wars fought between the two groups.

i wonder if any mohammedans read Gulliver, and if they did, what they thought.

Personally I am not interested in bickering regarding this one. I am interested in learning / understanding more about it. Right now it does not add up to me, but I have not explored it far enough yet.

I am getting the idea though it does not make that much of a difference one way or another as far as the way things are laid out.

I don’t believe Mary would have liked us to have grand arguments over her.

She would have shrugged her shoulders had someone questioned her belief in the Virgin Birth.

She would have just said that she had a house to take of...and that she had no time for theological arguments.

Thing is Mary, if she existed as depicted, likely wouldn't believe in the virgin birth either. From what I understand, the virgin birth thing originates from when Hebrew was translated into Greek and the Hebrew ord "almah" ("young woman") was translated into the Greek word "parthenos" ("virgin").

All in all, it's just another brick in the "Hail Mary" wall.

How Jesus was conceived--was certainly a "test of faith" for both Mary and Joseph. As depicted in the Bible.

Joseph certainly had struggles with it.

Key phrase:

Anything from outside the Bible concerning a biblical figure is usually pure speculation.

The works of the Historian Flavius Josephus (a.k.a., Yosef ben Matityahu, 37AD - 100AD) are a notable exception. They are major sources of our understanding of Jewish life and history during the first century AD.

I have. I often compare current events and discussions to them. Best is in Saudi bcuz ppl are easygoing on the one hand but on the other u have mutawaas, self styled religious police, who essentially are just lookijg to cause conflict and are illegal yet still hold,sway just from sheer arrogance

It's Worth Noting Here (to me at least) that the 'Cult of the Catholic Church'
the Organization that Evolved into Higher Levels of it covering
Up Pedophile Child Abuse is the Organization that Determined
Over Centuries now what 'Scattered Text' Would or would Not Be
Included in what We Deem A 'Bible' From the Origin of that today.

If 'You' Wouldn't Put All Your Trust Now in that Organization
to be Alone with 'Your Child'; Why in 'the Hell' Would 'You' Put
All the Trust of 'Your Soul' in the Hands of 'that Organization?'
Yep and all the Branches and Leaves Sprouting from it now too...

Rhetorical Question of Course... And 'Sweet Easter Truth'

From the "Makers of Hell and Heaven After Death"

The Gospel of Thomas Verse 37 Is so simple and
So True Yet it takes All the Power Away from the
'Trumps' of the Catholic Church That Still Exist
in their
Golden
Laced
Robes and
Temple Towers
And the Such as that
Away from the Nature of God Within
That Surely Exists on A Desert Isle with
Not a Rarified Abstract Symbol (Word) That Humans
Often Bring as Empty Shells without the 'Substance'
of
'the
Living
one' Within
('God' Without 'TM')
T R A D E M A R K
Is it any wonder NOW
That 'Certain' accounts
Were Left Out; Hell no
And Heaven Yes for With
Heaven now Within We are
All Our Own Priest(esses) with our Agency
of God Living the SPiRiT Within Just Naked and Free
of rarified Abstract Constructs (Words) that become
strangely God
in deed Now;

Yeah, sure
if God isn't
'the Word' 'the
Church' NO Longer
Imprisons God IN Words.

Haha; the Church is
No REAL Bride of God the
Church is indeed Handcuffs
for God Within IT and outside of 'You'...

Changing Bread And Wine into a Man...
Oh My God in the Occult of the Literal
Now And telling folks THAT is the
Path of Redemption to Salvation IS A
'PERFECT' DEFINITION OF CULT OVERALL.

THE CULT OF
GOD DOES NOT BREATHE
however that may come in idols of Word.

In Plain English; "Seeing" a 'Cult of the Virgin
Mary' and totally Missing the rest of the Origin of the Cult;

Demands
a bit more
Intellectual Honesty
as i surmise the totality
of 'the Science Project'; sure as Art Truthfully more now at least.

Look at this way, 'the Church', but only if you can and will,
in all its flavors, far removed from Christianity too, convinced
close to Half the World to Look Forward to Death and in many
cases miss out on life NOW and Heaven Now True in Pinnacle of Life too...

If that ain't
'Kool Aid'
to Drink NOTHING IS 'Bread to Eat'
At Least for anyone with a 'lick'
of real rationality' and Just Common 'Bird Sense'.

It's enough to make me wanna Stand up on
A 'Dead Poet Society' Desk; and speak the Naked Truth; PG rated of course.

i hope 'the Truth' Does not offend anyone; and i'm not for sale.

And Please Don't 'Hate me' because 'my wife' and 'i' are still SO
sexy at sixty
and fifty; hehe..

i'm just a 'Holy Fool';
We come around every once in a while again as Just another Human Archetype;
Actors Change; Characters remain some days strangely similar yet still certain Naked truths DO remain.....

It's True; Pictures And Dance Will Speak More Than 'Word Salad' Ever Will. God is Not JUST the STONE
DEAD LiTeRaL CULT NOW
of 'the Bible' God is
more in
just
one
Human
than Words alone;
even less than a grain of sand....
Even More Than All the Stars above....
"When 'You' Hold More than 'Infinities'
in the Palm of Your Hand"
in other
Words
Some
Thing Like God;
Some Thing More
than Just 'Word Salad';
What Truly Lives Naked Free Within Now.

'You' Can't Bring 'Jesus Back' In 'Words alone'; It's Just Not Possible; AFAIF.

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When you capitalize some but not all words,but often, it’s difficult for me to keep upwith what you were saying....

i apologize;
but it is my Nature;
it's hard for most
People to keep up with
me in Real Life when i speak too;
i find Dance a More Effective Language to Speak as far as reciprocal Communication
non-Verbal Returned as well; And My Method of Stimming is truly Super Cool and Art;
12,793 Miles of Public Dance in 78 Months; Truly a World Record Never Documented at least before.

The 7.8 Million Words
of Free Verse Poetic Words a bit
more of a complicated Special Interest for Folks to Comprehend;
but that is the Nature of Original Art that Lasts; Deeper than the Shallows of Before..

Smiles; anyway; thanks for the Social Reciprocal Communication; any Feed back here is nice..