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06 Apr 2020, 4:52 pm

Pepe wrote:

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EzraS wrote:

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I'm not elderly, but I am just as at risk due to lifelong respiratory issues. And I am all for everyone getting back to work ASAP. April 15th would be fine with me. Even April 1st would have been alright. I believe many elderly and other at risk people feel the same way. People need to be financially able too properly provide for their children.

Can't do that if you're dead.

Oh please. It's not the black plague. It's not going to kill everyone. Millions of people die in car crashes in the US each year. Millions more lose limbs and or become paralyzed. So why not keep most people from driving?

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

I don't think I was explicit as I should have been. My point was, the virus differs from car accidents in that besides being able to hurt everyone or anyone, the virus will eventually be gone and with it any health restrictions.

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06 Apr 2020, 5:54 pm

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Just so some people can own the libs? Seriously?

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06 Apr 2020, 5:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Can't do that if you're dead.

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

Why are you dodging my question?
Is your position:
There should be a total lockdown?

Seriously, I was only joking about ripping your argument apart.
Seriously, I am interested in where you stand,
Before I rip you a new one.
Errr. D'oh! :mrgreen:

magz wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

You are doing much for your family, Magz. I’m proud of you for that.

Thanks, you're lovely :heart:

I hope you're staying safe :heart:

Oi!
Hands off.
Kraftie is *my* cuddle monkey. :mrgreen:

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06 Apr 2020, 7:53 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Can't do that if you're dead.

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

magz wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

You are doing much for your family, Magz. I’m proud of you for that.

Thanks, you're lovely :heart:

I hope you're staying safe :heart:

Oi!
Hands off.
Kraftie is *my* cuddle monkey. :mrgreen:

Having total lock down or not hadn't been part of my point.

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06 Apr 2020, 7:54 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Can't do that if you're dead.

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

magz wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

You are doing much for your family, Magz. I’m proud of you for that.

Thanks, you're lovely :heart:

I hope you're staying safe :heart:

Oi!
Hands off.
Kraftie is *my* cuddle monkey. :mrgreen:

Having total lock down or not hadn't been part of my point.

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06 Apr 2020, 8:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Can't do that if you're dead.

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

magz wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

You are doing much for your family, Magz. I’m proud of you for that.

Thanks, you're lovely :heart:

I hope you're staying safe :heart:

Oi!
Hands off.
Kraftie is *my* cuddle monkey. :mrgreen:

Having total lock down or not hadn't been part of my point.

Beyond the point you were making,
Are you in favour of a total lockdown? :wink:

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06 Apr 2020, 8:31 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Can't do that if you're dead.

Apples and oranges. People can choose to drive or not to drive, and thereby take precautions. The virus can hit anyone out of the blue, but is finite in the time that it'll be active.

Let's clarify something before I rip your argument apart.
Err, did I say that aloud? :scratch:

Is your position:
-There should be a total lockdown?
-There should be heavy lockdowns?

magz wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

You are doing much for your family, Magz. I’m proud of you for that.

Thanks, you're lovely :heart:

I hope you're staying safe :heart:

Oi!
Hands off.
Kraftie is *my* cuddle monkey. :mrgreen:

Having total lock down or not hadn't been part of my point.

Beyond the point you were making,
Are you in favour of a total lockdown? :wink:

In a word: no.
People will always have doctor appointments, need groceries, hell, even get beer and a movie from Redbox just for the sake of sanity.

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06 Apr 2020, 11:09 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

EzraS wrote:

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During the Great Depression, mortality actually decreased. People lived longer as treatments for TB improved.

There was an increase in suicides. In 1928 there were 14 suicides per 100,000 people. In they peaked at about 18. I am reading those numbers off a digital graph so they may be slightly out.

Let us say that:

- The Great Depression caused 4 suicides per 100,000 people, every year. This is a high-end estimate.
- The US population was 130m throughout the Depression (this is the estimated population in 1938, so high).
- The Depression lasted 10 years.

That equates to 52,000 deaths.

Now let’s say that this virus causes a two-year depression. The US population is 330m. The impact on suicides over the two years is the same.

That’s 26,400 people killed by the recession.

Now let’s say that without any restrictions, and with people forced to live their normal lives (realistically most people would choose to isolate anyway), 80% of the US would get sick, and 0.5% of those who get sick would die. That is a low-end estimate for the mortality rate. In that situation, 1.32 million people would die.

It isn’t even close.

Conclusion: the people who are easily panicked and being short-sighted are those who think an economic downturn is worse than 1,320,000 Americans dying.

Exactly.

My mother isn't in great health. I'm not willing to put her at risk just so some people can "own the libs" by spreading a pandemic.

Why would she be out in the public when she is at risk? The way I look at is, if everyone is in lockdown for 6 months, I will still be in isolation. If everyone goes back to work next week, I will still be in isolation. It won't make any difference to me personally because in either case, I will be in isolation. I am just as safe either way.

Just so some people can own the libs? Seriously?

If I have to go back to work, I might get exposed to it and would bring it home to her.

And the amount of idiots (at least the ones in my friends list) who are complaining that this is a "liberal conspiracy" is nuts.

You might get a exposed to it anywhere outside the house. That's why my mom has a pretty rigorous system in place to keep me from catching it. Even though that's unlikely since supposedly only 0.105% of the population have it.

I can see where you're coming from with people complaining it is a liberal conspiracy.

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06 Apr 2020, 11:17 pm

I am waiting for the time that the realization comes about that many millions already had the virus when the lockdowns began. Meaning they attempted to contain an outbreak that already took place and had little to no effect on those infected by it. They will probably discover some common denominator that makes some people susceptible to severe symptoms, while 99% of the population are practically immune, either being asymptomatic or having barely noticeable symptoms.

Got a fast spreading virus that quickly covered the world, has an RO of 3 or greater, but supposedly only 1% of the population were infected. Probably more like that feared 80% of the population being infected, have already been infected.

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06 Apr 2020, 11:21 pm

Nope. No liberal conspiracy.

This is for real. There are certainly excessive deaths in hotspots. And there are hospitals, especially in urban areas, which are struggling for space now because of people being admitted for COVID19.

Not even the most nutty, flaming liberal would want baseball seasons, basketball seasons, concerts to be cancelled. Restaurants to be closed. People on lockdown, $2 trillion stimulus required.

What nutty liberal would want all this?

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06 Apr 2020, 11:24 pm

It is definitely obviously being politically exploited. Just because it is real does not mean a political party is not trying to take advantage of it. It is pretty obvious one political party wants prolonged shutdowns while the other doesn't. And the former is into socialism. And prolonged shutdowns is a good recipe for bringing in socialism to relieve the masses. Everyone is already getting paid some by the government. Is it really all that far fetched?

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07 Apr 2020, 12:10 am

His Memaw and Papaw must have done something awful to him.

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07 Apr 2020, 12:11 am

This situation has inadvertently shown how willingly people capitulate to authority. Hardly putting up any resistance against abandoning their livelihood, their culture and their freedom over a virus that has very questionable stats as to how much of a large scale threat it actually is. Basically it shows the world can easily be enslaved so to speak using little to no actual force.

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07 Apr 2020, 12:23 am

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There is very little political exploitation, here in Australia, compared to America.
There is very little politics here at all, in regard to the crisis.
There are just practical solutions being implicated here, some of them very, very socialistic in nature.

Politics, here in Oz, has basically been verboten.

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi oi oi! :mrgreen:

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07 Apr 2020, 12:24 am

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There are very valid reasons to comply, in this situation. :wink:

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07 Apr 2020, 12:48 am

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Yet on the other side, you have the blatantly insane doubting everything from the mouths of doctors, mayors, and governors, believing them to all be part of a deep state conspiracy to destroy Trump, as voiced by the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity, and others who have always sought to eclipse the truth. This includes that lunatic train engineer who tried to run a train into a hospital ship, to the idiots who think they can prove that hospitals aren't filling up with the corona virus sick. Then there are the obvious liars and fraudsters of the religious right who want to see churches reopen so they can rake back in donations, such as that king-of-fraudsters, Copeland, who claimed he used God's breath to blow the virus away, and Trump's own religious adviser and probable Whore of Babylon, Paula White. And then in closing, you have those hardhearted businessmen who, only interested in keeping themselves rich, are willing to sacrifice the lives of their labor force to keep the bucks flowing in.

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