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22 Apr 2020, 7:08 am

auntblabby wrote:

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the losing side didn't lose so much as the winning side LOST IT.*

*the plot IOW their common sense
*their sense of basic decency, that they would do this to the rest of us who did them no harm
*their marbles if they really think that things are way better now than they were before november 2016.

If you had a better health system,
Would that give you some alleviation?

that would smooth over a LOT. that is my single biggest beef with amuuurican right wingers, their insistence that health care should be unaffordable for the working class.

We have a medicare tax, for those over a certain salary threshold.
It seems to work well here in Oz and Canada.
I find it bemusing something similar can't be done over there.

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22 Apr 2020, 7:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Pepe wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

If you had a better health system,
Would that give you some alleviation?

that would smooth over a LOT. that is my single biggest beef with amuuurican right wingers, their insistence that health care should be unaffordable for the working class.

That's a big part of the right's belief in hierarchical social and class structures. For them, there has to be someone on the bottom who are deprived of even things necessary to life, all so those at the top can glory in their status.

What you described is not normal psychology.
There must be more involved than that.
Perhaps an American conservative view might help here?

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22 Apr 2020, 7:25 am

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What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?

he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.

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22 Apr 2020, 7:26 am

Pepe wrote:

What you described is not normal psychology. There must be more involved than that. Perhaps an American conservative view might help here?

their typical view is "sink or swim" and "not MY problem" [while laughing at us].

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22 Apr 2020, 7:30 am

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We have a medicare tax, for those over a certain salary threshold. It seems to work well here in Oz and Canada. I find it bemusing something similar can't be done over there.

it likely would work gangbusters well over here as well but the richie-rich righties have got the middle class convinced that they would lose what health care they have if the working class got any health care benefits. there is an old joke about a worker, a union leader and a CEO going into an employee breakroom, there's a table with a plate of cookies on it- the CEO snarfs up all but one cookie then whispers to the worker, "psst- look out for that union guy- he wants a piece of your cookie!"

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22 Apr 2020, 10:46 am

That joke could apply to other situations but I wont derail the thread to say what

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22 Apr 2020, 10:56 am

auntblabby wrote:

... there is an old joke about a worker, a union leader and a CEO going into an employee breakroom, there's a table with a plate of cookies on it- the CEO snarfs up all but one cookie then whispers to the worker, "psst- look out for that union guy- he wants a piece of your cookie!"

A blind CEO walks into a bar. Hearing that Jesus is at one of the tables in back, he says to the bartender, "Draw me a beer and send one to Jesus while you're at it."

A few minutes later, a wheelchair-bound woman rolls in. She sees Jesus and tells the bartender to get her a beer and send one back to Jesus.

Next a union leader in a neck brace enters, buys himself a beer and sends one over to Jesus.

On his way out, Jesus stops to thank each one. He touches the CEO, curing him of blindness. "Thank you Jesus! Now I can see!"

Then He touches the woman, who rises from her wheelchair. "Thank you, Jesus! Now I can walk!"

Finally, He approaches the union representative, who backs away saying, "STAY AWAY FROM ME, JESUS! I'M ON DISABILITY!"

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22 Apr 2020, 2:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Thanks! But in all seriousness, we are most likely going to see another civil war over this mess we created, or at least violent riots and a revolt of some sort. People are angry.

Well, between who, and exactly for what reasons?

Between the people that want lockdown and the ones that don't want lockdown

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22 Apr 2020, 9:14 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Pepe wrote:

What you described is not normal psychology. There must be more involved than that. Perhaps an American conservative view might help here?

their typical view is "sink or swim" and "not MY problem" [while laughing at us].

Aren't a lot of Trump supporters working-class people?

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22 Apr 2020, 9:16 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Tw1ggy wrote:

Thanks! But in all seriousness, we are most likely going to see another civil war over this mess we created, or at least violent riots and a revolt of some sort. People are angry.

Well, between who, and exactly for what reasons?

Between the people that want lockdown and the ones that don't want lockdown

As those against the lockdown are protesting without any concern for the virus, it can be argued that nature will save us the trouble of a civil war.

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22 Apr 2020, 9:16 pm

auntblabby wrote:

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What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?

I'm confused about what you are saying here.

Did Obama improve the health system in America?

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22 Apr 2020, 9:18 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:

That joke could apply to other situations but I wont derail the thread to say what

Good call.
Besides,
Derailing is my job. :mrgreen:

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22 Apr 2020, 9:19 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Pepe wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

If you had a better health system,
Would that give you some alleviation?

that would smooth over a LOT. that is my single biggest beef with amuuurican right wingers, their insistence that health care should be unaffordable for the working class.

What you described is not normal psychology.
There must be more involved than that.
Perhaps an American conservative view might help here?

Absolutely correct that that isn't normal psychology.
There are WP members on the right. Many of them are of the opinion that the rest of us indulge in class envy for pointing out inequities.

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22 Apr 2020, 9:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Tw1ggy wrote:

Thanks! But in all seriousness, we are most likely going to see another civil war over this mess we created, or at least violent riots and a revolt of some sort. People are angry.

Well, between who, and exactly for what reasons?

Between the people that want lockdown and the ones that don't want lockdown

As those against the lockdown are protesting without any concern for the virus, it can be argued that nature will save us the trouble of a civil war.

Not if it only culls the weak and leaves the strong.
Very Hitlerian. :wink:

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22 Apr 2020, 9:21 pm

Pepe wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Pepe wrote:

What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?

I'm confused about what you are saying here.

Did Obama improve the health system in America?

He certainly had for millions of us.

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22 Apr 2020, 9:23 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Tw1ggy wrote:

Thanks! But in all seriousness, we are most likely going to see another civil war over this mess we created, or at least violent riots and a revolt of some sort. People are angry.

Well, between who, and exactly for what reasons?

Between the people that want lockdown and the ones that don't want lockdown

As those against the lockdown are protesting without any concern for the virus, it can be argued that nature will save us the trouble of a civil war.

Not if it only culls the weak and leaves the strong.
Very Hitlerian. :wink:

Oh, no. Just a demonstration of how the Darwin award is won.

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