Do you agree with bending your knee to show contrition?

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A total misrepresentation.

Initially, I wasn't aware of the one knee solidarity symbolism.
I did mention it above if you care to re-read the posts.
But you are more focused on attacking me than incorporating the entire picture presented.
It is called: Confirmation Bias.

What I presented has a different context.
It is not about "Solidarity".
It is about accepting guilt for the sins of "our" forefathers.

If you hadn't noticed, I am half German,
And I emphatically *do not* accept guilt for what happened during the war.
Should I?

Please answer the question.
You have a history of ignoring the hard ones I present.
Should *I* accept responsibility for what happened to 13 million people in the concentration camps?

A note to the mods:
Please don't lock this thread because of any emotional responses to me.
I can handle myself here.
There is no way that I can be goaded into responding irrationally.
You have my word on that.
If you wish, simply delete or amend inappropriate commentary.

Similarly, should Australians, who's ancestors arrived unwillingly (convicts), be responsible for what happened in Australia (claimed "invasion")?
Should the Italians, French, Germans, Danes, and people of Norway be held responsible for what happened to the native English during their "visits"?
Should the African governments be held responsible for the selling of people to the America's as slaves?
Should the Australian Aboriginees feel responisbility for the death of the Neanderthals who were here prior to their arrival...

At what point do people decide that while they are responsible for their own actions, they are not responsible for acts which occurred prior to their ability to change/prevent them, or were caused by\attributable to people other than themselves?

I am not taking you out of context, indeed I am going to quote your earlier posts you posted sequentially for all the context.





Here you are saying that you will that there is a phenomena saying that there are white people prostrating themselves for forgiveness for being white.






Here you are thinking that you are providing evidence of white people doing something that must prove some point you are trying to make. Either contrition or asking for forgiveness for being white.






Here you are responding to my point about a ridiculousness that saying that white people are being made to apologize for being white, which you put the link to your previous post, clarifying that you think that link proves that it is happening.




And here you are taking reacting to this news of a ritual of humility as if it is incredibly shocking. You don't say how it is shocking, which leaves it up to interpretation in regards to your earlier post as if it relates to your earlier point about white people being asked for forgiveness for being white.

Perhaps I could be misinterpreting these posts, but the only posts between these of yours were my own.

In regards to your question of whether you should accept responsibility for what happened to 13 million people in the concentration camps, my answer is no, you do not have personal responsibility. It would probably be really hard to say that you have personally benefited from that particular tragedy, let alone that there has been a lasting economic effect on Jewish people in the same way that Black people have had. You probably should be well aware though of some humility needed in regards to national pride that can go too far.

Have you benefited from a system that has historically that victimized as black people as a minority? That is also a tough question, both of us are Australians, and I think that it is fair to say that Australia does not share the exact same history as America, which has had this well documented history of racial discrimination that all of these protests are about. If you have benefited in a society as a majority class while a minority class has been disadvantaged for being themselves, then you have some responsibility if you did not speak up loud enough to make a difference.

Not to say that Australia does not have some huge problems with racism. One of our major conservatives parties has a strong history of pushing the beliefs of its leader, Pauline Hanson, as a broadly accepted racist. Most of our land has been stolen from the native aboriginals, with a broad history of slaughter and other forms of discrimination that happens today such as seeing aboriginals as dirty and dangerous. Recent protests in Australia have been bringing to light things such as excessive force used in aboriginal communities and an irresponsible amount of aboriginal deaths in custody. Their communities are in perpetual poverty as opposed to general Australian population that politicians love to call the lucky country, and you have people that try and excuse practices like the stolen generation as reasonable step rather than finding ways that the first nation people could keep both their culture and live out of poverty.

I ain't saying that every white fella is personally responsible for discrimination that black fellas have from a perpetual system that punishes people for the colour of the skin they were born with. But I think it is a little crass to act offended when people try to show their solidarity to the minority while acknowledging their white privilege. You are in your 60s, I am sure that you must be aware of privilege you may have gotten for your race, the White Australian Policy did not even end until Whitlam in 1973.

I will also be happy to answer any other tough questions you have, although I will be making note of how loaded they may be, such as I have seen common in the questions you ask that I usually decide to not respond to.

You are if you are on the left side of politics.

This is a big problem here, in Australia, also.
And yes, it is meant to shut down the conversation.
This is what "Psychological Blackmail" looks like.



Most people don't want to be seen as a racist.
And yes, it usually stops people in their tracks.
Doesn't work on me, though.

It can also be a psychological manipulative device through "Emotionally Rattling" someone,
With the intent of making them do or say something stupid.
"Goading" someone can be effective,
But not usually in an online forum situation, however.

Apologizing for the sins of white people is one thing.
I'm sorry it happened, also.
Accepting personal/collective guilt is another.
Are we clear now?

Or maybe when they say "All Lives Matter" they mean it literally(everybody has some autistic traits ). Of course, racists and BLM opponents weaponize "All Lives Matter" and use it as a dodge but why are we constantly letting the bad guys define terms and expressions? "Autistic" has become an oft used slur. Should we start assuming every NT that uses the term is ableist? Should we make using the term "Autistic" as much of a no-no as using "ret*d"? I hope not but it seems inevitable.

Mate,
I lived all my infancy feeling personally guilty for what happened during WWII, because I was half German.
Yes, I was a stupid kid,
But I am never, ever, going to be put in that position again.

As I said above, I am sorry about what happened in America, to the Blacks.
Also:
I am sorry about what happened in Australia, to the Aboriginies.
I am sorry what happened to those who suffered, on both sides, during WWII.
I am sorry that people willingly bring life into this misbegotten life system.
I am sorry for the brutality of the natural selection process.
I am a sorry human being if ever there was one.

But,
I will not accept *personal* responsibility that I am *not* responsible for.
And I definitely will *not* embrace collective guilt.

O/T
I used to play a lot of First Person Shooter (FPS) games.
People, I use the term lightly, used to use the term "Autistic" as one of the worst insults they could come up with.
NT's are charming, huh?

No one is telling you to. But do you maybe see how someone who was born into white privilege, better off than that those without, might feel guilt for not listening and doing enough to bring an end to things like police brutality that they might be more susceptible to?

Somewhat off topic, but apparently China gave warnings against its citizens in traveling to Australia because it recently became even more racist to Asian people in regards to the Corona Virus. There have been like school children bullying Asian kids by pointing at them and shouting "Corona". If someone saw that happen, maybe even something with adults being discriminatory, and does not say anything, than they too share some of the blame in allowing racism spread.

I am not saying anything to accuse you of being personally someone that did not speak down to someone acting racist, but you have talked before about trusting Andrew Bolt who to put lightly does not help with things like racial tensions.

Good point.

Saying/being "Sorry" is one thing,
But accepting guilt is another.

So, you are saying *all* Caucasians have white privilege?
That is a rather blanket statement, not to mention binary in nature.

What "White Privilege" did I get born into?
Perhaps I missed it due to my autism, profound dissociative disorder as a result of being racially abused psychologically by a teacher at school when I was 4-5, and being gang stalked for 30 years of my life.
And for most of that time, I lived in abject confusion and despair.
Trust me, I was a little busy surviving, literally, to worry about the finer points of social inequality.



I mentioned, he is a very good critical thinker.
FYI, I *don't* agree with everything Andrew says.
I listen to his commentary and then I put my own critical thinking filter over what he has said.
You may have noticed,
I have considerable skill in thinking critically, objectively and independently.

That definition is central to the world view of BLM, and more generally what is described as the regressive left or SJW. The idea is if you are white your opinion on racial matters is worthless because you do not have the experience of being black(unless you agree 100 percent with them and express it the way they prefer).

Too many will even go so far as saying while blacks can be prejudiced they can not be racists while whites are born racist.

Somebody in one of these threads asked how does one check their privilege. STFU and agree with whomever demanding you do that. And if you don’t agree with them you need too spend a whole lot of time reflecting on how your white privileges is causing you to have these racist ideas.

From what I've seen in these threads, it appears the answer is yes. All Caucasians have white privilege. The white homeless addict who was sexually, physically and verbally abused as a child, who has a noticeable physical deformity and who was bullied incessantly and ostracized because of it, who lived in abject poverty all of his/her life and who dropped out of school and was never able to hold down any kind of job. He/she has somehow benefited from white privilege.

It was said earlier in this thread, I believe, that the BLM issue isn't about "degrees" of struggle between one disadvantaged class over another, but by saying all white people benefit from white privilege, period (even the person I describe above), then it is about degree and it's put forth overtly and implied that someone who is black trumps all in their struggle and adversity. Perhaps no one on WP thinks in these terms, but it's a fact that many in the U.S. do. The thought that no matter who you are, no matter your situation (even the person I describe above), if you're white you have not, can not or will not face the hardship/hardships in life that any black person has/does or will. Yes, people believe this because there are many people who actually do believe that ALL white people benefit from white privilege.

Have you been discriminated by the colour of your skin, such as assumed more dangerous by police? Been born into low socio economic areas brought on by a history of oppression dating a very long time due to the colour of skin assuming one to be subhuman that can make it very difficult to leave due to a lack of resources given to things like education and work opportunities? Have you been passed over for work such as within the service industry considering poor social abilities, or a lower intelligence based on your appearance regardless of credentials? Do you get looked down on by some middle class white woman who gets spooked by you on a train and assumed you are on drugs?

Perhaps you did have some disadvantages for your specific German heritage, but can you not imagine that other people have had it worse, and that your life would have been harder if your skin was a few shades darker? This just easy empathy to see these things. And it is kind of important to listen to people who experience that discrimination speak about their own experiences, rather than say you know already because of how things ought to be from what you see or act.




You seem pretty hung up on these points, like that you think that any understanding you come to based on your own personal experiences must be objective. As for thinking critically, I can't say. A critical thinker can figure out the hidden motives and bias in a publisher of news, or could totally twist it like an anti-vaxer or flat earther, based on their own prejudice. Most people who are prejudice rarely aware of their own, everyone sees themselves as logical, which means those of different opinions are illogical, especially those so already sure of how logical they are. This is why you get people like "race realists", people who look at skull shapes for their ideas of intelligence and have way more of an impact on culture than they should, usually at disadvantage to non Caucasians.