Be Woke, It's Much Easier Than Thinking!

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I wonder how much of their behaviour comes down to the flawed "everyone gets a prize" mentality that took root in the 1990's so that no-one's feelings were hurt (nor anyone challenged to excel), and where their only punishment was a "time out" (but only so long as it didn't hurt their feelings)...And having "grown up" in this safe world, they erroneously came to believe that this was how the real world would operate, with the "woke" act being their tantrum as they try to get back to it?

funny in a very un PC way but I don't want to start hipster bashing , I feel many of them are driven, not in an inspirational or material sense but perpetually concerned about improving. I suppose being critical and being self critical go hand in hand. Not sure it's much fun being woke.

They are the saints of today in their minds. It's a religion.

There are also martyrs in the religion. To wit: In Minneapolis, white liberals who live in the Powderhorn Park neighborhood (I lived there in the early 1990s) in south Minneapolis have said they will refrain from calling the police even if they are victims of crime including violent crime. One man who was held up at gunpoint in a car jacking and who called the police said he later regretted doing so because he said by doing so he may have put the lives of the young criminals at risk with the police. Martyrs for the faith.

The thing about religions. History has taught us that not everyone chooses to practice said faith and religions that force their dogma on others create oppression.

Yes, like a religion. The neo-religious.

Utopian/Marxism/Communism can't work as a free society in the same way people can't will themselves to fly like Superman. Fantasy in both cases. They ONLY way the utopian Marxist fantasy world beloved by some can work is by enslaving it's populace and governing by fear, punishment and execution.

I'd suggest a cult is probably more accurate:
With a religion, people inside it are aware that it is a religion, and are aware of what they are joining before "signing up".
With a cult they don't realise what they have got themselves into until it is too late, at which point they know that to leave will result in harsher treatment than they have given to those who are yet to be indoctrinated.

That's what I said in my post if read in it's entirety.

That's Leninism where Marxism is enforced through authoritarian means.

Then Stalinism is authoritarianism for authoritarianism's sake.
There is no other way to enforce a Trotsky like idealism,like Soviet socialism,woke won't ever work.

Out of idle curiosity, what qualifies one for the status of "wokeness?" Is everyone who passionately champions or supports a cause automatically deemed as performing "wokeness?"

Personally, I don't see a difference between the Left accusing anyone who disagrees with them as being racist/homophobic/bigoted/whatever, and the Right accusing anyone who disagrees with them of virtue-signalling/being "woke"/ect.

Ultimately, it's just an intellectually lazy way of dismissing the viewpoints of others without actually having to engage with them.

^ Exactly.

Yes. Self-righteousness and a perception of moral superiority isn't relegated to only one political ideology or another.

It's good to see that you acknowledge there's a problem with some on both sides, XFG.

When sanctimony, self-righteousness and virtue signally trumps pragmatism, objectivity and rational decision making,
And is dismissive of the actual facts,
It is "Woke".
And in business,
It is often: "Go woke, go broke."

It's "get woke, go broke". See also whatever is going on in the US comic book industry.

I'm pleased to see so much thought in all the posts here on this subject. I've given up trying to say anything at all most places, because of the vile, unreal attacks and accusations it often brings up from the True Believers.

A few things to add.

I've seen this all as very similar to the Red Guard movement in China, where people were shamed/attacked/etc for supposed thought and identity crimes. Here's a wiki article describing a bit of that Wikipedia - Red Guards Attacks on Four Olds I believe what's been happening in the west is very dangerous for the same reasons.

Also, I'm always amazed at the brain-twist required to deny the regressive nature of the religion Islam, especially as if Islam was a race of brown skinned people, and not a racially and ethnically diverse religion. If the religion Christianity was guilty of even half as much, the "woke" people would have burned everything and everyone Christian to the ground, long ago.

Lastly, I feel sad for the minorities/etc being "protected" - actually silenced and assimilated - by the "woke" movement. Anyone can and will claim to be anything - and then take over that identity and threaten any who speak back. E.g., black friends report that if they have any different opinion that "woke", she is told (by other "woke" black people even) that she is "mentally ill". Lesbian friends of mine say it's harder to be able to just go hang out with other lesbians any more, because so many lesbian groups/events have kept the name but changed to actually being trans groups. Both groups have also told me they have been physically threatened for their "thought crimes" and nonconformity to "woke" culture. So very scary for them, as well. One older gay friend told me it's a lot like when he had to be in the closet back in the 1960s for being gay - but now he has to be in the closet for not being "woke".

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Except, "get woke, go broke" is a fallacy, since businesses usually use it to actually get more business and it works.

People were saying this about the recent She-Ra reboot, where people could see it as more "woke" for its desexualised character designs, and inside the show it had a more racially diverse cast, lesbians, gays, women of different body shapes and a non-binary character that was referred to by the right pronouns. And She-Ra has been perfectly popular.

It is ridiculous when apparently getting woke just includes having a diverse cast of different races, sexualities, genders and other feminist markers. Sure things cam be poorly implemented by doing things like thoughtless tokens that might be nothing but their token as a character trait, but the "woke" people dislike that too.

Isn't Islam like the second largest religion in India? And I am pretty sure that there are several Asian countries that it is also very popular. Maybe I am wrong, but I am pretty sure they are not just of middle eastern decent. I can also find this whole article on African American Muslims.

Also, didn't the Christian Crusades happen? Where they invaded Islamic controlled lands to rape and pillage them? The Christian religion has done plenty of awful things, most effectively been the extermination of people on lands to not fight back, and then convert them.




Yesterdays woke groups are tomorrow's anti-woke, especially in regards to where they become conservatives that would have been the exact kind of people that would have oppressed them in the past, or perhaps even still do. It is how you get groups like the LGB alliance that rather than actually wanting to improve things, they are mostly an anti-trans advocacy group, that they complain that the LGBT movement that used to help them is now also championing for other causes as part of pride.

What is meant by "thought crimes"?

prolly good time to interject timeless old saying: "My Karma ran over your Dogma "