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cyberdad
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07 Jul 2020, 10:50 pm

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There are people who just become criminals because they want to become criminals. Some of these folks come from high socioeconomic conditions.

I never said that low socioeconomic status does not breed potential conditions for people to not do well. I only said that low socioeconomic conditions can be transcended.


White collar criminals naturally are drawn from upper-middle SES groups. But being low SES is a predictor of blue collar criminal activity because many young people face barriers to opportunity and drawn into the orbit of organised crime as a way of lifting their social status.



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07 Jul 2020, 10:59 pm

I’ve known quite a few families personally—who speak about other families.

I’ve also read sociological case studies.

Like I said before, I’m not saying that low socioeconomic status DOES NOT produce conditions where poor outcomes are possible. It’s plainly obvious that adverse socioeconomic conditions cause people to stray and to become members of the “underclass”. And I’m not saying that activism is not needed to address low socioeconomic conditions.

All I’m saying is that low socioeconomic status does not preclude someone from success.



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07 Jul 2020, 11:04 pm

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All I’m saying is that low socioeconomic status does not preclude someone from success.


Yes I often find its African American celebrities and sports stars who have stories of coming up from poverty and striving to succeed. The difference is they have to overcome poverty and racism (not just poverty).



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07 Jul 2020, 11:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’ve known quite a few families personally—who speak about other families.

I’ve also read sociological case studies.

Like I said before, I’m not saying that low socioeconomic status DOES NOT produce conditions where poor outcomes are possible. It’s plainly obvious that adverse socioeconomic conditions cause people to stray and to become members of the “underclass”. And I’m not saying that activism is not needed to address low socioeconomic conditions.


I wish I could see the studies.

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All I’m saying is that low socioeconomic status does not preclude someone from success.


Of course it wouldn't preclude someone from success. But does low socioeconomic status reduce the probability of success?



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07 Jul 2020, 11:14 pm

It probably does.

But my autism and other disadvantages gave me less chance for me to succeed...but I didn’t tell myself that fact. Instead, I chose back doors and managed to do okay.

No professional, no executive positions. Nothing beyond entry-level clerk—but I did okay.

If I had assumed there was only one path to success, I wouldn’t have succeeded. There’s no way I could have succeeded via conventional methods. And thinking conventional notions.



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07 Jul 2020, 11:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It probably does.

But my autism and other disadvantages gave me less chance for me to succeed...but I didn’t tell myself that fact. Instead, I chose back doors and managed to do okay.


That's good!

But, why is our particular disability forced to do these things especially without much support yet other disabilities get all kinds of support or opt-outs?

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No professional, no executive positions. Nothing beyond entry-level clerk—but I did okay.


That's good!

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If I had assumed there was only one path to success, I wouldn’t have succeeded. There’s no way I could have succeeded via conventional methods. And thinking conventional notions.



But, if others aren't willing to help you find these other paths like they do with other disabilities like intellectual disabilities then it will be that much harder.



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08 Jul 2020, 4:05 am

the poor criminal gets a prison cell. the rich criminal gets the keys to the city.