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20 Aug 2020, 9:11 pm

I pity the fool who thinks saving a buck once a year is worth a million deaths.


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20 Aug 2020, 9:19 pm

No one ever owned anybody, that's a lie & a contradiction in terms. Humanity may not be treated as a commodity.


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20 Aug 2020, 9:22 pm

WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


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20 Aug 2020, 9:37 pm

cberg wrote:
WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


"If the so called 'democratic' individuals out there really believe in their talk about diversity, they should let those with truly different opinions be allowed to talk freely in public, too." - Varg Vikernes



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20 Aug 2020, 9:48 pm

Brictoria wrote:
cberg wrote:
WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


"If the so called 'democratic' individuals out there really believe in their talk about diversity, they should let those with truly different opinions be allowed to talk freely in public, too." - Varg Vikernes


Varg Vikernes is a convicted murderer and "ex" self described Nazi. Try again.

Can people please refrain from belittling each other/personal attacks in this thread. :roll: Discredit the ideas not the poster.



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20 Aug 2020, 9:59 pm

Brictoria wrote:
cberg wrote:
WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


"If the so called 'democratic' individuals out there really believe in their talk about diversity, they should let those with truly different opinions be allowed to talk freely in public, too." - Varg Vikernes


I see a distinction between differences of opinion & cults of personality. This is also a privately hosted site.


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20 Aug 2020, 10:01 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cberg wrote:
WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


"If the so called 'democratic' individuals out there really believe in their talk about diversity, they should let those with truly different opinions be allowed to talk freely in public, too." - Varg Vikernes


Varg Vikernes is a convicted murderer and "ex" self described Nazi. Try again.

Can people please refrain from belittling each other/personal attacks in this thread. :roll: Discredit the ideas not the poster.

Maybe I'm missing something here...
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Varg Vikernes is a convicted murderer and "ex" self described Nazi. Try again.

Immediately follwed by:
Feyokien wrote:
Discredit the ideas not the poster.


Something of a contradiction?



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20 Aug 2020, 10:02 pm

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Discredit the ideas not the poster.


Pardon me if I can no longer discern bots & content farms posting disinformation from the real deal.


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20 Aug 2020, 10:06 pm

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I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.


Given she is currently estranged from her father the issue is irrelevant. I doubt we are ever going to see images of Kamala Harris strolling down some estate in Jamaica with her father that was built by slaves owned by her family.

So while intellectually its preposterous to draw connections to her distant ancestors, no doubt the Trump cult will eagerly be waiting throw barbs where they get an opportunity (however childish), like the birther nonsense that the current POTUS seems to subscribe to.



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20 Aug 2020, 10:06 pm

So...after all of this talk I acquired two lengthy Joe Biden biographies (neither by 'conservatives'). And plowed through them. This is what I found.

Joe Biden's historical legacy will probably rest on his helping to slyly dismantle Roosevelt's New Deal, and on his zealous role as a drug warrior and tough-on-crime legislator.

He was for the dreadful Iraq War :skull: , for the mass incarceration of blacks, against abortion, against gay marriage, and against the legalization of drugs. Against socialized medicine and against busing.

Joe Biden is a neoliberal, foreign policy hawk, the architect of the nasty 1994 crime bill, and the slave of wealthy corporate backers---most of all the DuPont Corporation which all but runs his home state of Delaware. Millions of dollars have flowed to his brother and children from places like Communist China and the Ukraine.

The actual Joe Biden bears almost no relationship to the guy people on WP seem to like. He is to the right of Donald Trump, and it isn't a particularly close call.


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20 Aug 2020, 10:20 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something here...
Feyokien wrote:
Varg Vikernes is a convicted murderer and "ex" self described Nazi. Try again.

Immediately follwed by:
Feyokien wrote:
Discredit the ideas not the poster.


Something of a contradiction?


No. Varg Vikernes is not a poster and is a public figure. Quoting a convicted murder and a white supremacist to criticize posters supporting the freedom for diversity to exist, something that Wrongplanet's rules protect, is borderline provactive behavior. I don't have to tolerate Varg Vikernes ideas because if he were in charge, I and many other would be dead.

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a) So creating sexist threads is not acceptable. It would be acceptable to discuss sexism itself however, for example regarding the glass ceiling in job promotions faced by many women or other social issues associated with sexism.
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And to be clear when I said 'discredit the ideas not the poster' I was referring to people taking digs at vermontsavant.



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20 Aug 2020, 10:27 pm

cberg wrote:
WP needs a downvote button for all this neocon mosquito noise.


If you are so intollerant of opinions or views which do not match your own (is there a word for that?), you could always have a look at:
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=167309

On the plus side, it would allow those open to alternative views to still see and discuss them, as opposed to a "downvote" function which can be abused by the side with the most members to try and hide inconvenient facts\information.



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20 Aug 2020, 10:53 pm

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Pardon me if I can no longer discern bots & content farms posting disinformation from the real deal.

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20 Aug 2020, 10:54 pm

Tolerating intolerance is complacence, which has an extensive history of ruining democracies. You're dredging up racist tropes from the past instead of focusing on the individual this thread is actually supposedly discussing. Nobody today owns slaves. Congratulations, you're parroting political rhetoric from 4chan.

Freedom of speech is not the same thing as account privileges to whine.


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20 Aug 2020, 11:01 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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When people express opinions that differ from yours, take it as a chance to grow. Seek to understand over being understood. Be curious, not defensive. The only way to disarm another human being is by listening.
- Glennon Doyle Melton


What I say has no more value than what you or others say, but thank you for finding a better person to quote to make your point (I do mean that).

Goodnight y'all



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20 Aug 2020, 11:06 pm

Nobody today owns slaves.


PLEASE tell me you did not say that.

"Today, around 40.3 million people are enslaved...types of modern slavery include child exploitation, forced labour and organ trafficking"


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