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30 Nov 2020, 11:27 pm

Pepe, for whatever it's worth, your posts by now are clearly so mindlessly prejudiced I can't even read what you're saying anymore. Bye.


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30 Nov 2020, 11:31 pm

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On the contrary, I would say that people who describe BLM and antifa protests as "violent" are trying to insinuate, falsely, that they are at least as prone to killing people as some of the more extreme right wingers are.


OK, I am being serious here.
You are saying rioting, looting and burning down businesses aren't acts of violence?

And there were killings by the left, btw.
I remember reading how a young girl was killed in a shooting because her mother took a wrong turn in CHOP/CHAD, whatever.

And wasn't it a lefty who shot a black cop, or ex-cop, in the back of the head?

Also, I read how, when the police left the CHAD area, crime went through the roof.

The left-wing violence almost won the election, for Trump.



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30 Nov 2020, 11:31 pm

cberg wrote:
Pepe, for whatever it's worth, your posts by now are clearly so mindlessly prejudiced I can't even read what you're saying anymore. Bye.


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30 Nov 2020, 11:34 pm

Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
On the contrary, I would say that people who describe BLM and antifa protests as "violent" are trying to insinuate, falsely, that they are at least as prone to killing people as some of the more extreme right wingers are.


OK, I am being serious here.
You are saying rioting, looting and burning down businesses aren't acts of violence?

And there were killings by the left, btw.
I remember reading how a young girl was killed in a shooting because her mother took a wrong turn in CHOP/CHAD, whatever.

And wasn't it a lefty who shot a black cop, or ex-cop, in the back of the head?

Also, I read how, when the police left the CHAD area, crime went through the roof.

The left-wing violence almost won the election, for Trump.


Quite a huge assumption to think everyone in the BLM movement is left wing, no? Unless of course right-wingers are inherently racist, so all the opposition to racism must be left wing by default?



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30 Nov 2020, 11:43 pm

Pepe's myopic focus on right or left as the guilty party is part & parcel of the same black & white thinking that put us in this mess.

I think he's looking for someone to blame who isn't Trump. Sad.


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01 Dec 2020, 12:49 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
On the contrary, I would say that people who describe BLM and antifa protests as "violent" are trying to insinuate, falsely, that they are at least as prone to killing people as some of the more extreme right wingers are.


OK, I am being serious here.
You are saying rioting, looting and burning down businesses aren't acts of violence?

And there were killings by the left, btw.
I remember reading how a young girl was killed in a shooting because her mother took a wrong turn in CHOP/CHAD, whatever.

And wasn't it a lefty who shot a black cop, or ex-cop, in the back of the head?

Also, I read how, when the police left the CHAD area, crime went through the roof.

The left-wing violence almost won the election, for Trump.


Quite a huge assumption to think everyone in the BLM movement is left wing, no? Unless of course right-wingers are inherently racist, so all the opposition to racism must be left wing by default?


One can be plenty opposed to racism without belonging to an organization like BLM.

That said, the BLM organization does seem to be geared towards the left-wing.



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01 Dec 2020, 1:07 am

Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
On the contrary, I would say that people who describe BLM and antifa protests as "violent" are trying to insinuate, falsely, that they are at least as prone to killing people as some of the more extreme right wingers are.


OK, I am being serious here.
You are saying rioting, looting and burning down businesses aren't acts of violence?


Given the definition of "violence", I'm certainly interested in the answer as well:
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violence noun
vi·​o·​lence | \ ˈvī-lən(t)s How to pronounce violence (audio) , ˈvī-ə- \
Definition of violence

1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence



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01 Dec 2020, 3:08 am

I see we're still playing the game of pretending that property crimes are violence like assault or murder. The bovine excrement is predictable.


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01 Dec 2020, 3:24 am

Portland’s grim reality: 100 days of protests, many violent.

https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97dd2 ... 636faa7b70

One of many headlines describing the riots throughout the US as being violent.



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01 Dec 2020, 3:34 am

funeralxempire wrote:
I see we're still playing the game of pretending that property crimes are violence like assault or murder.


Only the property crimes involving:
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the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence

Similarly, there are property crimes (and murder) where violence is not involved, and which are therefore not considered violent...

So, not "playing a game" (or pretending), simply providing (inconvenient) facts.

Those claiming that certain property crimes are not violent sure seem to be playing some interesting linguistic games in order to support their assertions, however...



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01 Dec 2020, 5:26 am

Wisconsin, Arizona certify Biden wins in presidential vote

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Two battleground states, Wisconsin and Arizona, certified their presidential election results Monday in favor of Joe Biden, even as President Donald Trump’s legal team continued to dispute the results.

Biden’s victory in Wisconsin was certified following a partial recount that only added to his 20,600-vote margin over Trump, who has promised to file a lawsuit seeking to undo the results.

Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, signed a certificate that completed the process after the canvass report showing Biden as the winner following the recount was approved by the chairwoman of the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission. Evers’ signature was required by law and is typically a procedural step that receives little attention.

The action Monday now starts a five-day deadline for Trump to file a lawsuit, which he promised would come no later than Tuesday. Trump is mounting a longshot attempt to overturn the results by disqualifying as many as 238,000 ballots. Trump’s attorneys have alleged without evidence that there was widespread fraud and illegal activity.

Earlier Monday, Arizona officials certified Biden’s narrow victory in that state.

Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey both vouched for the integrity of the election before signing off on the results.

“We do elections well here in Arizona. The system is strong,” Ducey said.




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01 Dec 2020, 9:14 am

Does that mean all 50 states have certified their results?



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01 Dec 2020, 11:47 am

I hereby request that the discussion about the definition of "violence," off-topic here in this thread, be continued in the separate thread Looting/vandalism and the definition of "violent crime".


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01 Dec 2020, 6:31 pm

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud by Michael Balsamo, AP, December 1, 2020:

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

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Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but they’ve uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election. Barr was headed to the White House later for a previously scheduled meeting.

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The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voter fraud could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

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01 Dec 2020, 6:42 pm

Pepe wrote:
cberg wrote:
Pepe, for whatever it's worth, your posts by now are clearly so mindlessly prejudiced I can't even read what you're saying anymore. Bye.


Am not!


That's the same BS we get from the president.


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01 Dec 2020, 6:46 pm

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I watch the news here.
Wot, you think the Amerikans censor what goes out of America, like the China*s* do? :mrgreen:


Can anyone even translate this? Watching the news does not mean having an accurate picture of what's happening. Now you're probably just going to go off whining that the left can't help demonizing you like the dogmatic drones we are.

If you can't respect other nationalities enough to spell them right, I don't think you should be allowed on this forum.


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