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19 Jan 2021, 5:56 pm

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WHAT is it about having the same rights and privileges as Atheists, Californians, non-evangelical Christians, Communists, Court Judges, Feminists, Foreigners, Hollywood Actors, Jews, Journalists, Liberals, Media Outlets, Minorities, Muslims, Queerfolk, Socialists, and Women that makes some conservative white men react so very toxically, take up arms, and attempt a coup against the United States government?
Both/All sides are being artificially whipped into ideological conflict. Technology is fanning the flames. It's easy to get white men to storm the cpitol, as easy has it was to get white men to invade the middle east a thousand years ago. Nothing is more easy than manipulating one group of humans against another. its the oldest trick in the book. Is the story of civilization.
You answer the "HOW", now please answer the "WHAT".  Thank you.


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19 Jan 2021, 5:57 pm

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There are definitely strong parallels between early 30s Germany and our current situation.


I agree. History seems to be cyclical. have you heard of "The Strauss-Howe generational theory, also known as the Fourth Turning theory " it might explain partly out current situation.


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19 Jan 2021, 6:01 pm

Fnord wrote:
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WHAT is it about having the same rights and privileges as Atheists, Californians, non-evangelical Christians, Communists, Court Judges, Feminists, Foreigners, Hollywood Actors, Jews, Journalists, Liberals, Media Outlets, Minorities, Muslims, Queerfolk, Socialists, and Women that makes some conservative white men react so very toxically, take up arms, and attempt a coup against the United States government?
Both/All sides are being artificially whipped into ideological conflict. Technology is fanning the flames. It's easy to get white men to storm the cpitol, as easy has it was to get white men to invade the middle east a thousand years ago. Nothing is more easy than manipulating one group of humans against another. its the oldest trick in the book. Is the story of civilization.
You answer the "HOW", now please answer the "WHAT".  Thank you.


Are you a white male?

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Malcolm X "The white liberal differs from the white conservative in one way. The liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than the conservatives. Both want power. But, the white liberal has perfected the art of posing as the negro's (sic) friend and benefactor."


please answer the question. Thank you.


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19 Jan 2021, 6:10 pm

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Most people want to restrict free speech to enable just their point to be heard without allowing others to share their points of view across which could be different from ones own...
Like when a person who does not believe in the "Supernatural" is prohibited from replying to people who do.  Like when a person who has achieved some small measure of success and self-reliance is prohibited from replying to people who have not.  Like when a person who tries hard to not be a racist or sexist in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own racist and sexist beliefs.  It is as if not upsetting people is more important than being truthful.


Like when a person who does not believe in the "wokeness" is prohibited from replying to people who do. :mrgreen:

Like when a person who tries hard to not be biased in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own lack of objectivity. :mrgreen:

"It is as if not upsetting people is more important than being truthful."
Well, I can/t amend your statement, since I agree. 8)

Your position, overall, is quite ironic, in my opinion. ;)

I am not saying that you aren't accurate in probably most situations.
I am saying you are hypervigilant to the point of unnecessary excess.
But that is simply a subjective opinion on my part. 8)

The latest example is your fervour is here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=391105&start=96#p8693805



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19 Jan 2021, 6:13 pm

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[color=black]One could also cite religious tolerance for allowing certain ideas and practices to go too far.


Personally, I find that the 'religion' of Political Correctness "has gone too far." 8)



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19 Jan 2021, 6:25 pm

slam_thunderhide wrote:
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What is it about having the same rights and privileges as Atheists, Californians, non-evangelical Christians, Communists, Court Judges, Feminists, Foreigners, Hollywood Actors, Jews, Journalists, Liberals, Media Outlets, Minorities, Muslims, Queerfolk, Socialists, and Women that makes some conservative white men react so very toxically, take up arms, and attempt a coup against the United States government?


What is it about pointing and sputtering about "white men" that makes you feel so pleased with yourself?

How have people like you been conditioned into thinking that a bunch of people organizing for the sake of their political interests is automatically bad if most of them are White? I mean the stuff I'm hearing about the Capitol rioters, and by extension all Trump supporters,


This seems to be a political ploy, to sully *all* Republican, rather than accepting the axiomatic reality that not all Republicans are the same.
How silly does a person have to be to swallow that BS hook, line and sinker? :scratch:

Not all Democrats the same, either, btw. ;)


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is only slightly more extreme than the stuff I remember hearing from the Left about the Tea Party, and all they ever did was stand around mumbling about "freedom".

These are rhetorical questions, I'm not actually interested in reading more of your moral posturing.


I find sanctimony offensive, personally speaking.
I would rather people stop parading their moral superiority. 8)



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19 Jan 2021, 6:41 pm

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The right wing have their own echo chambers too.

And will likely resort to them more as a result of being forced away from sites which previously were open to all views, where those sites could otherwise have served as moderating influences...



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19 Jan 2021, 6:50 pm

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The right wing have their own echo chambers too.

And will likely resort to them more as a result of being forced away from sites which previously were open to all views, where those sites could otherwise have served as moderating influences...


You mean like Facebook and Twitter where things like QAnon conspiracies were propagated? What were the moderating influences exactly?



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19 Jan 2021, 7:09 pm

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Like when a person who tries hard to not be a racist or sexist in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own racist and sexist beliefs.


Do you mean like a closet racist / sexist. Most people dont even have to try to not be racist or sexist :roll:



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19 Jan 2021, 7:19 pm

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Like when a person who tries hard to not be a racist or sexist in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own racist and sexist beliefs.


Do you mean like a closet racist / sexist. Most people dont even have to try to not be racist or sexist :roll:



Nope, most of them don't even know they are so they don't try to hide it. Even if they learn to not say them, they still don't think they are. They only know what is called racist.


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19 Jan 2021, 7:24 pm

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I'm convinced now that when it comes to politics, WP is effectively devolved into just an echo-chamber for "left=well meaning, right=dangerous lunatic".


I'm not sure "devolved" is quite the right word..."Reverted" may be more appropriate, given https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=389127

It's a long read, from a time when things were much as you describe and appear to be headed back towards, or possibly beyond.



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19 Jan 2021, 7:31 pm

League_Girl wrote:
BettyRed wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Like when a person who tries hard to not be a racist or sexist in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own racist and sexist beliefs.


Do you mean like a closet racist / sexist. Most people dont even have to try to not be racist or sexist :roll:



Nope, most of them don't even know they are so they don't try to hide it. Even if they learn to not say them, they still don't think they are. They only know what is called racist.


Do you have 2 accounts. I was asking someone else.



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19 Jan 2021, 7:54 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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I'm convinced now that when it comes to politics, WP is effectively devolved into just an echo-chamber for "left=well meaning, right=dangerous lunatic".


I'm not sure "devolved" is quite the right word..."Reverted" may be more appropriate, given https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=389127

It's a long read, from a time when things were much as you describe and appear to be headed back towards, or possibly beyond.


The first 10 pages , that's all I could handle before my eyes went screwy , seemed to be a discussion about one member.



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19 Jan 2021, 8:03 pm

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There are definitely strong parallels between early 30s Germany and our current situation.


I agree. History seems to be cyclical. have you heard of "The Strauss-Howe generational theory, also known as the Fourth Turning theory " it might explain partly out current situation.


I'm not familiar with that theory, but I will investigate. Always looking for new reading material.


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19 Jan 2021, 8:18 pm

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Like when a person who tries hard to not be a racist or sexist in any way is prohibited from calling out people who openly express their own racist and sexist beliefs.


Most people dont even have to try to not be racist or sexist :roll:

I disagree. It is human nature to fear difference, and the unknown.


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19 Jan 2021, 8:22 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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The right wing have their own echo chambers too.

And will likely resort to them more as a result of being forced away from sites which previously were open to all views, where those sites could otherwise have served as moderating influences...


Tempus Fugit has left the building, BTW.
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