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20 Feb 2021, 7:50 am

Some Texans' electricity bills skyrocket as high as $17,000 during winter storm

Griddy, a wholesale electricity provider in the Texas, said in a statement on its website Thursday, "We know you are angry and so are we. P-----, in fact." The company explained wholesale prices shot up because the Public Utility Commission of Texas (PUCT) took control of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid, Monday and raised the wholesale price to $9 per kilowatt-hour at least until the grid could manage the demand caused by the winter storm.

The company said that’s around 300 times higher than the normal wholesale price, and even though 99% of homes had electricity by Thursday evening, PUCT left the pricing in place.

"The market is supposed to set the prices, not political appointees," the company said. "We intend to fight this for, and alongside, our customers for equity and accountability – to reveal why such price increases were allowed to happen as millions of Texans went without power."

[The price hikes affected only those customers on variable or indexed-rate plans, not those with a fixed-rate.]


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20 Feb 2021, 8:12 am

For those talking about how switching to Wind and Solar have failed in Texas, I have to ask why renewable energy has not failed in the Upper Midwest (The Dakotas, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin). In fact, the biggest issue in the Upper Midwest is not generation but congestion in the distribution system, even after the CapX project which built quite a few electric superhighways. The thing is, up here, the cold is a way of life and ALL electric generation types are winterized for those events, some to as low as -40F (-40C).

Now, Texas decided to go it alone rather than connect to the a national grid. That is fine but when you go it alone, you have to account for every conceivable event, no matter how small, because you have nothing to fall back on should an extreme event occur. However, the power generation companies in Texas, even though they were warned as much as 10 years ago, decided that they did not need to prepare for an extreme cold event as they felt it would never happen (even though a smaller event happened about 2 - 3 years ago which had shown how vulnerable Texas was). Now that the event has come to pass, renewable energy is being blamed even though fossil fuel and nuclear plants all went offline too.

This is not a failure of renewable energy, this is a failure of the electric companies to ensure that their equipment could handle extreme events knowing that they were on their own should generation fail en mass which is what happened here. Texas was warned and yet, the energy producing companies chose profits over their customers.



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20 Feb 2021, 1:30 pm

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For those talking about how switching to Wind and Solar have failed in Texas, I have to ask why renewable energy has not failed in the Upper Midwest (The Dakotas, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin). In fact, the biggest issue in the Upper Midwest is not generation but congestion in the distribution system, even after the CapX project which built quite a few electric superhighways. The thing is, up here, the cold is a way of life and ALL electric generation types are winterized for those events, some to as low as -40F (-40C).

Now, Texas decided to go it alone rather than connect to the a national grid. That is fine but when you go it alone, you have to account for every conceivable event, no matter how small, because you have nothing to fall back on should an extreme event occur. However, the power generation companies in Texas, even though they were warned as much as 10 years ago, decided that they did not need to prepare for an extreme cold event as they felt it would never happen (even though a smaller event happened about 2 - 3 years ago which had shown how vulnerable Texas was). Now that the event has come to pass, renewable energy is being blamed even though fossil fuel and nuclear plants all went offline too.

This is not a failure of renewable energy, this is a failure of the electric companies to ensure that their equipment could handle extreme events knowing that they were on their own should generation fail en mass which is what happened here. Texas was warned and yet, the energy producing companies chose profits over their customers.


^^ This...



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20 Feb 2021, 7:57 pm

Contrary to the news reports and claims by ERCOT that there were "rolling blackouts", the fact was that most of us experienced total loss of power for several days. I myself had basically no power from Sun 12AM to Wed 2PM, except for maybe some brief 15 minute power for two or three episodes in that duration. It gets pretty chilly inside with no heat for three days when the temps are in the 20s.



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20 Feb 2021, 8:01 pm

Here's how to get Texas conservatives to regulate a power plant:

Tell them it's an abortion clinic.


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20 Feb 2021, 8:01 pm

Mike_T wrote:
Contrary to the news reports and claims by ERCOT that there were "rolling blackouts", the fact was that most of us experienced total loss of power for several days. I myself had basically no power from Sun 12AM to Wed 2PM, except for maybe some brief 15 minute power for two or three episodes in that duration. It gets pretty chilly inside with no heat for three days when the temps are in the 20s.


Been through week-long blackouts in Maine, but then Maine is supposed to be cold and snowy in the winter. It is not fun, even if you have a wood-burning stove. I am sure it is worse in Texas for people.



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21 Feb 2021, 10:00 am

Officials Say Texas Was ‘Seconds and Minutes’ Away From Monthslong Blackout

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In an interview with the Texas Tribune, Bill Magness, the president of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, said that if the utility did not cut power on Monday, the amount of energy going offline due to the storm, combined with a surge in demand amid the intense cold, could have caused widespread blackouts lasting for months, leaving the state in an “indeterminately long” crisis.

“It was seconds and minutes [from possible failure] given the amount of generation that was coming off the system,” Magness said. In that disaster scenario, demand for power would have overwhelmed the supply of energy on the grid, which could potentially cause power stations to blow and equipment to catch fire. Once physical infrastructure takes such severe damage, it can take months to repair and would demand a slow process to return power sources back to the grid. “It has to balance constantly,” Austin-based energy expert Bernadette Johnson told the Tribune. “Once a grid goes down, it’s hard to bring it back online. If you bring on too many customers, then you have another outage.”


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22 Feb 2021, 10:15 am

So insane that several online media outlets are providing facts about Texas' power grid, why it's independent (stupid protectionism), why it failed (non winterized oil/gas components freezing) and yet Faux News keeps telling everyone in every segment that windmills and green energy are to blame. :roll: :roll: :roll:

So dumb. The last two times this happened in Texas reports were commissioned and written telling them how to fix the problem and prevent this from reoccurring. They refused to do it because Billionaire oil & gas moguls told them not to - and instead they doubled down on language in the contracts that says Texas energy companies can jack up prices when demand is high and supply is low - like during a crisis like right now.. which is why these Billion dollar energy companies have hit the jackpot while people freeze to death and others receive $10,000.00 electricity bills. All of this are features, not bugs, in the system. Texas politicians sold their citizens out to Texas' Billionaire energy corporation owners and this is the result.

IF *I* were from Texas I would be investing in tar & feathers right now, maybe some pitchforks & torches, and maaaaybe even a guillotine. And I would definitely not be re-electing the same lot that got my fellow Texans killed while lining the already gold lined pockets of Billionaire a**holes.


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22 Feb 2021, 10:19 am

goldfish21 wrote:
... IF *I* were from Texas I would be investing in tar & feathers right now, maybe some pitchforks & torches, and maaaaybe even a guillotine. And I would definitely not be re-electing the same lot that got my fellow Texans killed while lining the already gold lined pockets of Billionaire as*holes.
Just you wait.  All of those angry Texans are going to rise up and make their voices heard...



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... by voting again for the same damned fools that got them into this mess in the first place.



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22 Feb 2021, 10:49 am

Whilst it has been evident from the start that the sudden shedding of wind power played a major part in the blackouts, the establishment media have been quick to close ranks by putting most of the blame on gas power stations, which having much greater capacity naturally suffered bigger drops in generation.

They have done so without publishing any of the detailed data, which I have done above. All they are interested in, of course, is deflecting the blame from renewable energy.

If they had done so, it would have been obvious that the real culprit was unreliable wind power.

Between 6 pm and 10 pm on the Sunday, wind power suddenly lost 2 GW, about a quarter of its load. Fortunately, gas power was quickly ramped up to fully compensate for this.

Wind power continued to be shed, with another 2 GW disappearing by 2.00 am on the Monday morning. As demand was also declining, gas power was reduced accordingly.

However, it was between 2.00 and 3.00 am that gas power too fell off the cliff.

It must be fairly evident that this had nothing to do with weather conditions, which could not possibly have had such a sudden impact. (In this respect, gas power was perfectly stable after 3 am for the rest of the day and week).

So what did cause that sudden drop in generation, something we also see with coal at exactly the same time, which dropped from 11 GW to 9 GW in that hour?

There is only one possible conclusion, and it is that the grid itself has become totally unstable, as wind power fell away. The evidence points to massive tripping out at gas and coal power stations as generation and demand got out of balance.

I would guess that just one gas plant tripping out in this fashion would have a cascading effect.

Source: Wind Power Did Cause The Texas Blackouts!


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22 Feb 2021, 11:17 am

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Whilst it has been evident from the start that the sudden shedding of wind power played a major part in the blackouts, the establishment media have been quick to close ranks by putting most of the blame on gas power stations, which having much greater capacity naturally suffered bigger drops in generation.

They have done so without publishing any of the detailed data, which I have done above. All they are interested in, of course, is deflecting the blame from renewable energy.

If they had done so, it would have been obvious that the real culprit was unreliable wind power.

Between 6 pm and 10 pm on the Sunday, wind power suddenly lost 2 GW, about a quarter of its load. Fortunately, gas power was quickly ramped up to fully compensate for this.

Wind power continued to be shed, with another 2 GW disappearing by 2.00 am on the Monday morning. As demand was also declining, gas power was reduced accordingly.

However, it was between 2.00 and 3.00 am that gas power too fell off the cliff.

It must be fairly evident that this had nothing to do with weather conditions, which could not possibly have had such a sudden impact. (In this respect, gas power was perfectly stable after 3 am for the rest of the day and week).

So what did cause that sudden drop in generation, something we also see with coal at exactly the same time, which dropped from 11 GW to 9 GW in that hour?

There is only one possible conclusion, and it is that the grid itself has become totally unstable, as wind power fell away. The evidence points to massive tripping out at gas and coal power stations as generation and demand got out of balance.

I would guess that just one gas plant tripping out in this fashion would have a cascading effect.

Source: Wind Power Did Cause The Texas Blackouts!


:lol:

You’ve been bamboozled by right wing spin doctors that are anti green energy, anti climate science, and pro big money for fossil fuel Billionaires.

Only 15.7% of electricity generation in Texas is from wind power. Other, much colder, states have far higher rates of wind power generation - and their wind turbines don’t freeze up and fail half the year because they’re required to be winterized.

Texas has simply failed to winterize any of its power generation grid. Oil & gas mechanisms freezing are responsible for the majority of the blackouts, not wind that only accounts for 15.7% of the entire grid.

Texas has also failed to heed the advice of past commissions advising them to partner with neighbouring states in order to have backups & failsafes in place to provide power in the event of a localized emergency. They’ve chosen to ignore the advice of power system engineers and go it alone, Texas style, instead. Probably because the local Billionaire oil & gas guys told Texas’ politicians what they were and were not going to do about their energy grid problems. Why would a Texas energy firm give a flying F about people freezing to death when there are $10,000.00 electricity bills to print & mail off to each address? :chin:


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22 Feb 2021, 11:25 am

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... Texas has simply failed to winterize any of its power generation grid. Oil & gas mechanisms freezing are responsible for the majority of the blackouts, not wind that only accounts for 15.7% of the entire grid.

Texas has also failed to heed the advice of past commissions advising them to partner with neighboring states in order to have backups & fail-safes in place to provide power in the event of a localized emergency. They’ve chosen to ignore the advice of power system engineers and go it alone, Texas style, instead. Probably because the local Billionaire oil & gas guys told Texas’ politicians what they were and were not going to do about their energy grid problems. Why would a Texas energy firm give a flying F about people freezing to death when there are $10,000.00 electricity bills to print & mail off to each address? :chin:
↑ THIS, quoted for truth.

Texas energy companies did not want to connect to grids in other states because federal regulations regarding the resale of that interstate energy would limit the profits those energy companies would make.  By monopolizing energy generation and distribution in Texas, those energy companies can now charge five-figure monthly bills to their customers to get every one back on-line and finance upgrades.

Blaming "Green Energy" is just a diversionary tactic -- a smokescreen to distract their customers from all their price-gouging and shoddy electrical infrastructure.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:50 am

Mike_T wrote:
Contrary to the news reports and claims by ERCOT that there were "rolling blackouts", the fact was that most of us experienced total loss of power for several days. I myself had basically no power from Sun 12AM to Wed 2PM, except for maybe some brief 15 minute power for two or three episodes in that duration. It gets pretty chilly inside with no heat for three days when the temps are in the 20s.


That was because even though they had started rolling blackouts, even more generators when offline causing the blackouts to be lengthened or become permanent until the generation could get back online.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:56 am

jimmy m wrote:
Whilst it has been evident from the start that the sudden shedding of wind power played a major part in the blackouts, the establishment media have been quick to close ranks by putting most of the blame on gas power stations, which having much greater capacity naturally suffered bigger drops in generation.

They have done so without publishing any of the detailed data, which I have done above. All they are interested in, of course, is deflecting the blame from renewable energy.

If they had done so, it would have been obvious that the real culprit was unreliable wind power.

Between 6 pm and 10 pm on the Sunday, wind power suddenly lost 2 GW, about a quarter of its load. Fortunately, gas power was quickly ramped up to fully compensate for this.

Wind power continued to be shed, with another 2 GW disappearing by 2.00 am on the Monday morning. As demand was also declining, gas power was reduced accordingly.

However, it was between 2.00 and 3.00 am that gas power too fell off the cliff.

It must be fairly evident that this had nothing to do with weather conditions, which could not possibly have had such a sudden impact. (In this respect, gas power was perfectly stable after 3 am for the rest of the day and week).

So what did cause that sudden drop in generation, something we also see with coal at exactly the same time, which dropped from 11 GW to 9 GW in that hour?

There is only one possible conclusion, and it is that the grid itself has become totally unstable, as wind power fell away. The evidence points to massive tripping out at gas and coal power stations as generation and demand got out of balance.

I would guess that just one gas plant tripping out in this fashion would have a cascading effect.

Source: Wind Power Did Cause The Texas Blackouts!


Then why does this not happen in Minnesota and the Dakotas, which has quite a bit more wind power than Texas? I have seen temps as low as -30F in the southern parts of Minnesota (meaning even colder the further north you go) and we have never even had rolling blackouts in the 20 years since I moved there.

That is because we winterize all of our electric generation equipment, including wind and solar generation equipment so that they can keep going, even in the frigid temps we get up here. Also, should wind power start to shut down, our fossil fuel plants are winterized too so that they can keep going and in the worse case scenario, we are interconnected with other states so we can get power, say from the TVA is we need it that bad.

In Texas, gas and coal plants went offline and even a nuclear plant. ERCOT has already admitted that so it is not anything that is not already known. Fact of the matter is, the electric generating companies chose profits over winterization even though they were warned 10 years ago and again 2 years ago that something like this could happen. Again, would not be so bad if Texas was interconnected with the rest of the country but they are not so they have no fall back plan.



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22 Feb 2021, 2:56 pm

Even Texas admit it wasn’t the wind power.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texast ... rozen/amp/
It was the natural gas that was the biggest failure and an overload on the grid.
As I mentioned earlier, chemicals have to be used in pipelines in extra cold weather to keep them from freezing.Texas wasn’t prepared.


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22 Feb 2021, 3:08 pm

I wonder how long until Tucker Carlson tells everyone that a marauding caravan of migrants crossed the border and flipped the power grid switch off? :lol:


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