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10 Jul 2021, 12:55 am

Persephone29 wrote:
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Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.



What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?


Some of them probably would have been fine with it to, and no not condemned to death...but any involved at all in the insurrection do seem condemned to arrest and trial at least.


They have the ability to do that now. They've gone door to door using cell phone records for people who were present, my sister actually knew one couple. The FBI showed up at their home in Virginia. No evidence of any violent intentions, they were not charged with anything. I think they caught the ones they were after and let the rest alone. So, just being a MAGA doesn't mean violent extremism. Cyberdad thinks a bunch of them should be dead, that's a bit pyscho imo. Especially from someone who professes to love humanity so much... I think they love people like them, and hate people who are unlike them. That's no different than closed minded, clannish anything. And it's the complete opposite of what they claim.


Well they did basically commit treason, at one point that was a punishable by death crime...so I can see some of that attitude. Like I certainly would not agree with executions on the street with no trial even if it is kind of a tempting fantasy in my head.......but I know it's no right so they should get trials and all that, but I mean to many of us the people who did the insurrection are traitors in our eyes. So I guess there is a ton and ton of anger directed in those peoples direction, like they didn't rebel they did outright treason....and so many americans are not happy with that.


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10 Jul 2021, 4:27 am

Persephone29 wrote:
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Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.


I mean "like minded" MAGAs choosing to murder US congressmen.

It would not be an exaggeration that if a group of black muslims stormed the capitol building then every single one of them would have been shot dead and those outside chanting would all be in Guantanamo bay.



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10 Jul 2021, 8:49 am

cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.


I mean "like minded" MAGAs choosing to murder US congressmen.

It would not be an exaggeration that if a group of black muslims stormed the capitol building then every single one of them would have been shot dead and those outside chanting would all be in Guantanamo bay.

I am a 63 year old white man who uses a cane. After 9/11 and before 1/6 my expectation was if I got as far as one step up the Capital building without an invitation I would have had a number of security people executing me with multiple rounds immediately, no questioned asked. Yet this group was allowed to commit the biggest attempted insurrection against United States since the Civil War with little resistance. No force of any kind was used until large parts of the building were in the traitors hands.

The claims that we did not expect this kind of thing that the media that has largely accepted is infuriating. The intelligence predicting the possibility the Capital would be stormed was public knowledge, I posted an NBC news article mentioning it the night before. I did not need an article to be worried. It is not unfair to say that certification vote was one of the most, if not the most anticipated, fraught Congressional votes of my life.

A lot of the “inside job” scuttlebutt has centered around sympathetic cops and Republican congressmen giving pre invasion tours to the insurrectionists. I am not saying these things did not happen but I wonder about the leadership of the Capital Police, I wonder about certain elements of the military, and exactly what was happening in the White House.

I expect the Pelosi commission to come to a conclusion that is both obvious, beneficial to the democrats and will further validate progressive priors, White Supremacy egged on by Trump. The “wacko conspiracy theory” stuff will either not be discussed at or after token attention be quickly dismissed.


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10 Jul 2021, 12:05 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.


I mean "like minded" MAGAs choosing to murder US congressmen.

It would not be an exaggeration that if a group of black muslims stormed the capitol building then every single one of them would have been shot dead and those outside chanting would all be in Guantanamo bay.

I am a 63 year old white man who uses a cane. After 9/11 and before 1/6 my expectation was if I got as far as one step up the Capital building without an invitation I would have had a number of security people executing me with multiple rounds immediately, no questioned asked. Yet this group was allowed to commit the biggest attempted insurrection against United States since the Civil War with little resistance. No force of any kind was used until large parts of the building were in the traitors hands.

The claims that we did not expect this kind of thing that the media that has largely accepted is infuriating. The intelligence predicting the possibility the Capital would be stormed was public knowledge, I posted an NBC news article mentioning it the night before. I did not need an article to be worried. It is not unfair to say that certification vote was one of the most, if not the most anticipated, fraught Congressional votes of my life.

A lot of the “inside job” scuttlebutt has centered around sympathetic cops and Republican congressmen giving pre invasion tours to the insurrectionists. I am not saying these things did not happen but I wonder about the leadership of the Capital Police, I wonder about certain elements of the military, and exactly what was happening in the White House.

I expect the Pelosi commission to come to a conclusion that is both obvious, beneficial to the democrats and will further validate progressive priors, White Supremacy egged on by Trump. The “wacko conspiracy theory” stuff will either not be discussed at or after token attention be quickly dismissed.


Maybe the fringe far right will get their wish and there will be more guns allowed at the Capitol? Like in the form of rapid fire gatling guns mounted on the tops of the exterior stairs, manned by marksmen prepared to make swiss cheese out of the next round of magas that decide they want to commit acts of violence against the US Government.


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10 Jul 2021, 6:48 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.


I mean "like minded" MAGAs choosing to murder US congressmen.

It would not be an exaggeration that if a group of black muslims stormed the capitol building then every single one of them would have been shot dead and those outside chanting would all be in Guantanamo bay.

I am a 63 year old white man who uses a cane. After 9/11 and before 1/6 my expectation was if I got as far as one step up the Capital building without an invitation I would have had a number of security people executing me with multiple rounds immediately, no questioned asked. Yet this group was allowed to commit the biggest attempted insurrection against United States since the Civil War with little resistance. No force of any kind was used until large parts of the building were in the traitors hands.

The claims that we did not expect this kind of thing that the media that has largely accepted is infuriating. The intelligence predicting the possibility the Capital would be stormed was public knowledge, I posted an NBC news article mentioning it the night before. I did not need an article to be worried. It is not unfair to say that certification vote was one of the most, if not the most anticipated, fraught Congressional votes of my life.

A lot of the “inside job” scuttlebutt has centered around sympathetic cops and Republican congressmen giving pre invasion tours to the insurrectionists. I am not saying these things did not happen but I wonder about the leadership of the Capital Police, I wonder about certain elements of the military, and exactly what was happening in the White House.

I expect the Pelosi commission to come to a conclusion that is both obvious, beneficial to the democrats and will further validate progressive priors, White Supremacy egged on by Trump. The “wacko conspiracy theory” stuff will either not be discussed at or after token attention be quickly dismissed.


Maybe the fringe far right will get their wish and there will be more guns allowed at the Capitol? Like in the form of rapid fire gatling guns mounted on the tops of the exterior stairs, manned by marksmen prepared to make swiss cheese out of the next round of magas that decide they want to commit acts of violence against the US Government.

I do not expect another attempt at mass storming of Congress because MAGA’s are not suicidal. My guess is despite how much they hate Antifa they will copy them because Antifa has demonstrated how easy it is to go after people you do not like where they live. But instead of vandalism and making a lot of rude noise the MAGA mobs will be more lethal.


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10 Jul 2021, 7:02 pm

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I do not expect another attempt at mass storming of Congress because MAGA’s are not suicidal. My guess is despite how much they hate Antifa they will copy them because Antifa has demonstrated how easy it is to go after people you do not like where they live. But instead of vandalism and making a lot of rude noise the MAGA mobs will be more lethal.


This is why I prefer to be armed. :nerdy:


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I can't think of a more ridiculous act than storming the capital. Anyone who thinks that those people represent the majority of conservatives is being equally ridiculous. What good is an overthrow when you'll go to jail? So stupid... And the FBI was all over even the most average Jonn Q. Public who attended the Trump speech, but we still know very little about what happened. I am deeply offended that by nature of my political affiliations I could be heaped into a pile with people who meant to overthrow the government.

If Civil War were ever declared, I would defend myself. But, that's it. It would only be an attempt to protect my family and survive and probably a poorly executed one. I would try to live, I think that's only human nature.


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10 Jul 2021, 8:06 pm

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Yet this group was allowed to commit the biggest attempted insurrection against United States since the Civil War with little resistance. No force of any kind was used until large parts of the building were in the traitors hands.


And yet thousands flock to trump rallies still?? Many thousands of the 74 million who voted for this lie still stand by the storming of the capitol.

I am wondering if those bold/brash enough to get in front of a camera and bragg that trump will lead a civil war should not be sent to Guantanimo bay??

How come if you a white republican who makes treasonous threats against the country (the same country they also claim to be patriots for) that you are cheered on but if you are an American muslim making threats you will find yourself in Guantanimo being waterboarded?



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I can't think of a more ridiculous act than storming the capital. Anyone who thinks that those people represent the majority of conservatives is being equally ridiculous.


74-75 million Americans knew beforehand the democrat voter fraud claim by Trump was a lie but still voted for him.

Post-election the only individuals arrested for vote fraud have (ironically) been Trump supporters.



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12 Jul 2021, 2:42 am

MAGA bride -Audra Johnson gained fame in 2019 for wearing a wedding dress emblazoned with the words “Make America Great Again.” Now she’s running for Congress, and because Michigan Republicans are so furious at the incumbent, Rep Peter Meijer, she may actually have a chance.

“People are terrified,” Ms Johnson told The New York Times. “We’re heading toward a civil war, if we’re not already in a cold civil war.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 80574.html

Why is she being allowed to run?

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MAGA bride -Audra Johnson gained fame in 2019 for wearing a wedding dress emblazoned with the words “Make America Great Again.” Now she’s running for Congress, and because Michigan Republicans are so furious at the incumbent, Rep Peter Meijer, she may actually have a chance.

“People are terrified,” Ms Johnson told The New York Times. “We’re heading toward a civil war, if we’re not already in a cold civil war.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 80574.html

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As long as she got on the ballot via party rules there was nothing the establishment Republicans can do to stop her.

Saying you think a civil war is coming is not a crime and even if it were it doesn't matter. A convicted felon can run for any federal office including President. Eugene Debs ran for President while in federal prison for sedition during WWI.


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A convicted felon can run for any federal office including President. Eugene Debs ran for President while in federal prison for sedition during WWI.


How about a racist cop who abused 4 small black kids by making them burn on hot bitumen when they and their mother were innocent?



https://www.facebook.com/AllThings81082 ... 005417268/

The man is described as (and I quote) aggresive and cold hearted by witnesses is now running for office as a sheriff at Las Animas County sherriff under the local republican county. Dasko not surprisingly is a proud republican.

Calibre of people this party attracts



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A convicted felon can run for any federal office including President. Eugene Debs ran for President while in federal prison for sedition during WWI.


How about a racist cop who abused 4 small black kids by making them burn on hot bitumen when they and their mother were innocent?



https://www.facebook.com/AllThings81082 ... 005417268/

The man is described as (and I quote) aggresive and cold hearted by witnesses is now running for office as a sheriff at Las Animas County sherriff under the local republican county. Dasko not surprisingly is a proud republican.

Calibre of people this party attracts


What should be done? I don't know anything about this particular person, but here in Florida people were gaga for Andrew Gilliam/Gillium (?sp). Shortly after he lost the election the married ex-mayor of Tallahassee was found buck naked, passed out with drugs and a male sex worker. He had a pretty good reputation prior to this. But, obviously he was doing things no one knew about in his private life. And don't say he didn't hurt anyone but himself. He was married ( I wonder how his wife felt?), secretly exposing her to whatever sex workers carry, using drugs ( how many decisions did he make under the influence of drugs? ), and supporting the sex worker trade which endangers the lives of the people who are forced to sell their bodies to make a living.

These people are ALL shady. Just because someone is linked to something racist doesn't make them MORE shady than the unfaithful, drug dabbling, closet gay, soliciting prostitution black politician. It's ALL bad, but they still get votes and win elections, even with all their flaws. I'm sick of people like you supporting anything and everything as long as it isn't racist.


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Shortly after he lost the election the married ex-mayor of Tallahassee was found buck naked, passed out with drugs and a male sex worker. He had a pretty good reputation prior to this. But, obviously he was doing things no one knew about in his private life. And don't say he didn't hurt anyone but himself. He was married ( I wonder how his wife felt?), secretly exposing her to whatever sex workers carry, using drugs ( how many decisions did he make under the influence of drugs? ), and supporting the sex worker trade which endangers the lives of the people who are forced to sell their bodies to make a living.


Alas, the democrats still do better on that transgression
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... epublicans

As for Gilliam, the only person imacted was his wife, and she still loves him
https://www.gq.com/story/andrew-gillum-marriage-profile

I mean, he's incredibly sorry about that one incident, she sounds like a very open minded and forgiving person, not surprising that why we on the left are called "progressives"



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Shortly after he lost the election the married ex-mayor of Tallahassee was found buck naked, passed out with drugs and a male sex worker. He had a pretty good reputation prior to this. But, obviously he was doing things no one knew about in his private life. And don't say he didn't hurt anyone but himself. He was married ( I wonder how his wife felt?), secretly exposing her to whatever sex workers carry, using drugs ( how many decisions did he make under the influence of drugs? ), and supporting the sex worker trade which endangers the lives of the people who are forced to sell their bodies to make a living.


Alas, the democrats still do better on that transgression
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... epublicans

As for Gilliam, the only person imacted was his wife, and she still loves him
https://www.gq.com/story/andrew-gillum-marriage-profile

I mean, he's incredibly sorry about that one incident, she sounds like a very open minded and forgiving person, not surprising that why we on the left are called "progressives"



Like I said, as long as it isn't racism, the Left will tolerate any evil.


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These people are ALL shady. Just because someone is linked to something racist doesn't make them MORE shady than the unfaithful, drug dabbling, closet gay, soliciting prostitution black politician. It's ALL bad, but they still get votes and win elections, even with all their flaws. I'm sick of people like you supporting anything and everything as long as it isn't racist.


How can people expect their elected leaders to care about them when they're bigots? :chin:

It's not an apples to apples comparison.


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