24 Aug 2021, 9:12 pm
Axeman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am not convinced.
"Nazis" were fascists during the Nazis Germany period.
The new fascists are new neo Nazis.
"Nazis" were fascists during the Nazis Germany period.
The new fascists are new neo Nazis.
You know, I've long thought that calling these kinds of people "Nazis" was giving them entirely too much credit, as Nazi Germany was a technological and military powerhouse that punched far above its weight, and these people... are not. I do also wonder how many people flying the swastika actually believe in what it stood for, or are more trying to be edgy, like college kids with Che Guevara shirts who presumably don't support his more authoritarian tendencies (but man he looked cool...).
Germany was the pinnacle of scientific research, at that time.
And yes, stupid kids are stupid kids.
Yeah sick experiments done on prisoners in death camps.
Please curb your nationalistic hyperpartisanship.
Your sanctimony is a little stifling.
I was referring to pre-Nazi party.
Once again, may I ask how old you are?
BTW, Have a chat with native Amerians about how they were treated, and consider America' eugenics program that Hitler based his on, and the Tuskegee experiments on the black community.
Quote:
The Tuskegee Timeline
In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.
In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
24 Aug 2021, 9:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
On an intellectual level, though, these cretins today would have fit in. When Heidegger joined the Nazis (worst mistake of his life, he confided in Hannah Ardent), they ridiculed him for his philosophizing and intellectuality. After the war, the allies were amazed to find how many of the Hitler Youth were illiterate, considering that Germany had had such a long intellectual tradition. Any and all education was focused on glorifying and supporting the state and the Nazi philosophy.
I don't find that surprising given the Nazi fixation on physical form, which our homegrown variety invariably are deficient in. Of course, there's another layer there given the decidedly unimpressive collective physique of the Nazi leadership, people were joking about it during the time period:
The caption translates as: The Aryan type. A blond man like Hitler, slim like Göring, tall like Goebells.
On the flip side, Churchill had the look of an aryan hero.
I don't think Churchill ever claimed to be such.
Did I say he did?
You do understand what a "joke" is, right?
24 Aug 2021, 9:21 pm
slam_thunderhide wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Atomwaffen Division are basically an FBI operation, just as the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot was.
I know some people on this forum like to point and sputter about a supposed right-wing terrorist threat in the US, but most of it is just made up, a creation of either the media or intelligence agencies.
The FBI have a history of infiltration and entrapment against black radicals and Islamic radicals, and now they seem to be concentrating almost exclusively on white rightist radicals. See the following:
I am only making the comment that "False Flag" operations do happen.
I am out of my depth in this particular conversation, so I am otherwise staying schtum.
24 Aug 2021, 9:29 pm
slam_thunderhide wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
He may as well have been. He was programmed by the Turner diaries which is a neo-Nazi manifesto for the white race to eliminate all PoCs. He thought his act of terror would start a race war.
Do you even try to be accurate, or do you just make everything up? The Oklahoma City bombing is one of the more documented crimes of the late 20th century, and McVeigh was quite explicit that his motivation was revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge, I don't know where you're even getting this "race war" stuff.
Here's the man in his own words from private letters he sent before his execution:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/ ... cveigh.usa
...
Here's his wiki, were it is noted that while he did read and sell The Turner Diaries, he wasn't a member of any extremist group, and there is nothing remotely racially motivated about his crime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
Here's a pro tip for free: If you're going to make up "facts", make them up about something obscure and impossible to check, not an incredibly well documented crime where the killer confessed at length and wrote voluminously of his motive, it makes it really obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
This. Cyberdad is talking rubbish here. If he wants to virtue signal about a white racist terrorism in the US, there are a handful of actual examples he could have chosen. It doesn't help his credibility that he's had to hark back to an attack of over 25 years ago that wasn't even racially motivated.
Well, in fear of this thread being locked, I have to agree.
He excels in virtue signaling and has a reputation for not doing the hard yakka research.
In my eyes he has no credibility, hence, I won't waste mental energy by responding to him directly.
I am not into "A cat playing with a mouse" either, so I tend to let him be.
The saying: "You made you bed, now you can sleep in it", comes to mind.
24 Aug 2021, 9:36 pm
slam_thunderhide wrote:
Do you have a source for the following?
Kraichgauer wrote:
After the war, the allies were amazed to find how many of the Hitler Youth were illiterate, considering that Germany had had such a long intellectual tradition. Any and all education was focused on glorifying and supporting the state and the Nazi philosophy.
Since the leaders of National Socialist Germany tried to promote the idea that Wagner, Beethoven, Goethe etc belonged as much to German factory workers as they did to German elites, I'm calling BS on this.
Give him a break.
My Teutonic friend has to distance himself from the past.
24 Aug 2021, 9:37 pm
Dox47 wrote:
slam_thunderhide wrote:
If he wants to virtue signal about a white racist terrorism in the US, there are a handful of actual examples he could have chosen. It doesn't help his credibility that he's had to hark back to an attack of over 25 years ago that wasn't even racially motivated.
I was tempted to throw him the Order murder in Colorado, as that's one of the few that I could think of off hand that fit his stereotype, but I decided to let him flail, it's what he does.
24 Aug 2021, 10:02 pm
Pepe wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am not convinced.
"Nazis" were fascists during the Nazis Germany period.
The new fascists are new neo Nazis.
"Nazis" were fascists during the Nazis Germany period.
The new fascists are new neo Nazis.
You know, I've long thought that calling these kinds of people "Nazis" was giving them entirely too much credit, as Nazi Germany was a technological and military powerhouse that punched far above its weight, and these people... are not. I do also wonder how many people flying the swastika actually believe in what it stood for, or are more trying to be edgy, like college kids with Che Guevara shirts who presumably don't support his more authoritarian tendencies (but man he looked cool...).
Germany was the pinnacle of scientific research, at that time.
And yes, stupid kids are stupid kids.
Yeah sick experiments done on prisoners in death camps.
Please curb your nationalistic hyperpartisanship.
Your sanctimony is a little stifling.
I was referring to pre-Nazi party.
Once again, may I ask how old you are?
BTW, Have a chat with native Amerians about how they were treated, and consider America' eugenics program that Hitler based his on, and the Tuskegee experiments on the black community.
Quote:
The Tuskegee Timeline
In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.
In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
Only reason the atom bomb wasn't used on Germany is because they were crushed a little before it was ready. That's a shame too.
24 Aug 2021, 10:46 pm
24 Aug 2021, 11:58 pm
Again the selective amnesia is strong in some here but I'll repeat the OPs article again for the second time
Alleged Boise neo-Nazis charged with planning power grid attacks in Idaho, Northwest
There is no Godwin's law or trigger in using the word "Neo-Nazi" as the white supremacists in the article quite clearly make their affiliation crystal clear.
Secondly while Brendon Tarrant or Timothy McVeigh might not have been card carrying members of these groups, they followed a white supremacist manifesto to start a race war that led them to kill multiple innocent civilians.
That manifesto and the Turner diary is not a figment of some left wing imagination. It's a fact. Whether dealing with KKK, Neo)_nazis, Aryan brotherhood, alt-right (or whatever other label they choose to use) that these groups endgoal is race war and waiting for an opportunity to act on civilian targets. To me they are no different to ISIS, Al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The difference is that in Melbourne, my daughter or wife are potential targets of white supremacists. I don't have to worry about islamic terror but I know there are wolves roaming the streets in Melbourne who are expressing a desire to attack civilians of colour and start a race war
https://www.theage.com.au/national/insi ... 58i3x.html
So for me it's not virtue signalling, it's a legit concern that I am entitled to hold.
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