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08 Sep 2021, 10:57 pm

You know what I think? I think the right wingers are just twisting the issue of racism around with this guy to push for their textbook fascistic power grab over the country. As if somehow having a black guy on the side of the GQP really proves "Hey WE are not the racists! It's YOU democrats who are racists!"

*sigh* fascists will be fascists...

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08 Sep 2021, 11:02 pm

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I think you're absolutely correct. The GOP of the modern era aren't friends of African Americans by any stretch, though they think rolling out their token black candidate will get everyone to forget that fact.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:11 pm

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Just like they think they can force everyone to forget that Trump and his supporters were responsible for the attack on our nation's capital.

Seems a lot like the Chinese government denying that the massacre of Tiananmen Square ever happened... it's really no wonder that Trump admired Xi Jinping and 'joked' about wanting to become "President for Life" too someday.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:16 pm

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Had the insurrection worked (nobody needs to tell me that hairbrained idea wouldn't have succeeded), I'm certain Trump would have loved staying past his next four years.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:18 pm

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King0fSpades wrote:

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Had the insurrection worked (nobody needs to tell me that hairbrained idea wouldn't have succeeded), I'm certain Trump would have loved staying past his next four years.

In some ways I fear it DID work. If it had truly failed Trump would be in prison instead of running a shadow government through the GQP and making plans to run again in 2024.

Now his supporters and allies know exactly what they can get away with when it comes to him and that should scare anybody.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:21 pm

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What is fascist about the California recall, or Larry Elder? Be specific.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:32 pm

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What is fascist about the California recall, or Larry Elder? Be specific.

Nice try. I don't have to explain anything to the kind of people who would deny that Trump attempted a violent insurrection on January 6th. Because it makes no difference to them seeing as how they wanted it to happen.

Larry Elder is cut from the same red cloth as everyone else in the GQP who wants to strip people like me of my rights and then tell me "What rights?"

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08 Sep 2021, 11:45 pm

Wearing a gorilla mask certainly seems racist to me. The woman hasn't been identified and her reasons for the attack seem to be difficult to uncover. But one note few reports seem to be willing to mention: Elder was touring a homeless camp, and the residents didn't want him there. Likely she was one of the residents and, possibly, not in the soundest of mind. Her political affiliations are unknown, but I can say that most homeless aren't exactly fond of being used for political staging by members of either political party. And to spend millions on a recall when we can't house our homeless ... well, I would guess that is part of the reason for the protest.

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08 Sep 2021, 11:51 pm

How do we know this woman wasn't a political actor being used in a publicity stunt to gain sympathy and support for this Larry Elder guy? Politicians do this kind of thing often you know.

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09 Sep 2021, 12:19 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

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The problem is how Democrats run these places. Look at Chicago with nearly 100 people a week getting shot. Detroit which used to be a great city and is now in ruins.
The Left is very good at campaigns and getting elected but extremely poor at the job of actual governance.

I suggest you spend some time with statistics from cities comparable in size and demographics and realize that the ones run by Republicans don’t look any better than the ones run by Democrats.

It isn’t a party problem.

Chicago has almost 100 people getting shot each weekend. Show me a comparable Republican run city.

You have an inappropriate statistic. Look per capita.

Your cognitive dissonance is amazing.

Do you know what per capita means?

Is a city of 1,000,000 that had 100 murders more safe or less safe in your opinion than a city of 10,000 that had 20 murders? 100 is more than 20, after all.

But your risk of being a victim is much higher in the smaller city. Murder is a bigger problem in the smaller city in my example.

As much as everyone loves to talk about Chicago, it only rates 24th on the list of the most dangerous cities in the US.

Another list shows Chicago, population 2.7M, as having 24.13 murders per 100,000 residents, 1098.86 all crimes combined.

I can’t find any cities of comparable size with Republican mayors.

Of smaller cities with Republican mayors, Anchorage (300K) has a higher crime rate (1203.29) but a much lower murder rate (9.12).

Stockton, CA (300K) has a Republican mayor and an even higher crime rate (1414.56) and a murder rate (17.77) only a little lower than Chicago’s.

Tulsa (400K, Republican mayor) isn’t too far behind. Crime 1040.83; murder 17.29.

But the truly horrifying numbers come from St. Louis, MO (300K) with overall crime at 2082.29 and murder at 66.07. Sadly, with a Democrat as mayor, with this disclosure I am hurting my own point. But, heck, I can admit it when I can’t get the data to tell the story I thought it would. Although I’ve read lots of thoughtful analysis on why crime v political party is a false correlation, I’ll admit that is more difficult and simply suggest that maybe St. Louis would work better in your nightmare stories.

Jacksonville, FL is the largest U.S. city with a GOP mayor

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09 Sep 2021, 12:33 am

Dox47 wrote:

King0fSpades wrote:

What is fascist about the California recall, or Larry Elder? Be specific.

I find it interesting that the Democrats appear interested in "African Americans" only as long as they do what is "expected" of them, but once those people step over the line, they suddenly become open targets for race-based attack.

The fact that they only show "concern" for those who do as they desire (a "reward"), and show a lack of respect for those who do not (a "punishment"), implies it isn't the person's race that is actually important to them, instead that it is their obedience\subservience which is demanded.

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09 Sep 2021, 1:07 am

Why are there so many fake conservative intellectuals on Wrong Planet who talk like Ben Shapiro?

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09 Sep 2021, 1:41 am

Brictoria wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

King0fSpades wrote:

What is fascist about the California recall, or Larry Elder? Be specific.

What, exactly, shows “concern” to you? What, exactly, shows a “lack of respect?” Does every crazy person protesting a politician make the news?

I don’t have to support (with my vote or positive regard) someone whose politics I find abhorrent simply because I support black causes.

I had no trouble saying I believe a gorilla mask is racist. Have you found Democrats claiming that it isn't? Or do you simply feel they haven't made a big enough issue of it?

The Obamas were frequently taunted with monkey references. The references didn't make the news.

But I do know that at least a few black community thought leaders (all the ones I follow), consider individuals like Elder to be “problematic.” Not for their politics, since everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but for their denial of the experiences most in the black community share and for their continued willingness to support systems that the black community considers racist. He doesn't get to have it both ways.

This is what I see: the man walked into a place he wasn't wanted. He was abusing the misery of others for a photo op. The residents didn't want him there. I don't know for sure why they did not want him there, but I personally don't think its news when you invade someone's home and they act out in protest, even if the methods of protest are inappropriate.

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09 Sep 2021, 1:42 am

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Why are there so many fake conservative intellectuals on Wrong Planet who talk like Ben Shapiro?

Fake? You're the guy making wild claims you can't back up, and talking to in your own language would likely result in a thread lock and a warning. The dispassionate language is trying to engage you politely and get you to back up your statements, would you prefer blunt rudeness?

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09 Sep 2021, 1:48 am

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If only other liberals were so scrupulous when the shoe was on the other foot. Do you not recognize your own pattern in making these elaborate excuses every time a Democrat is criticized recently? Sure, we don't know for sure that the person in a gorilla mask hurling an egg at a black Republican is a liberal activist, but the fact that one of the guys protecting her then starts screaming at the cameraman about Larry Elder, demonstrating that they know who he is and what he's running for, is suggestive.

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09 Sep 2021, 1:59 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

What, exactly, shows “concern” to you? What, exactly, shows a “lack of respect?” Does every crazy person protesting a politician make the news?

Only when they're protesting Democrats, apparently.

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I don’t have to support someone whose politics I find abhorrent simply because I support black causes.

I agree, but do you know how often people like me who had legitimate beefs with, say, Obama over policy issues got tarred as racists by liberals? Even on here? Do you know how often I was defended by conscientious liberals who knew that kind of attack on me was false?

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But I do know that at least a few black community thought leaders (all the ones I follow), consider individuals like Elder to be “problematic.” Not for their politics, since everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but for their denial of the experiences most in the black community share and for their continued willingness to support systems that the black community considers racist.

Is the "black community" monolithic? My experience with black people, particularly older ones, is that they're far more conservative than is usually thought, they just don't like the Republican party for historical and habitual reasons.

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