funeralxempire
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10 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm
Axeman wrote:
Grocery prices are going up because of shortages related to people taking advantage of aid intended for covid victims. See they aren't working because they don't have to pay rent and are still exploiting unemployment benefits.
[citation needed]
10 Oct 2021, 8:37 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?
I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.
That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.
Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.
Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.
If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.
Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.
Will the demand for groceries just vanish overnight? Last I checked everyone needs to eat and they prefer to do it more than once a day.
What can happen is that your stocker/checker will get replaced by a machine doing the exact same work. It may be expensive to set up initially, but it will pay for itself over time. No need for time off/benefits or overtime other then the occasional repairman bill. Robots do not need a living wage to exist on. Big corporations are already working on it for fast food locations. Being replaced by a machine is a real threat to many jobs in the future. Pushing job demands too far will only speed up the process for this to happen. Guess that changes the game a bit.
FYI: If that actually happens, my career would be safe. I will be making decent $ on the new materials for special nano-computer chips that will need to be developed/manufactured for the machines to work. It happens to be one of my specialties.
10 Oct 2021, 8:40 pm
funeralxempire
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10 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?
I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.
That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.
Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.
Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.
If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.
Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.
Will the demand for groceries just vanish overnight? Last I checked everyone needs to eat and they prefer to do it more than once a day.
What can happen is that your stocker/checker will get replaced by a machine doing the exact same work. It may be expensive to set up initially, but it will pay for itself over time. No need for time off/benefits or overtime other then the occasional repairman bill. Robots do not need a living wage to exist on. Big corporations are already working on it for fast food locations. Being replaced by a machine is a real threat to many jobs in the future. Pushing job demands too far will only speed up the process for this to happen. Guess that changes the game a bit.
FYI: If that actually happens, my career would be safe. I will be making decent $ on the new materials for special nano-computer chips that will need to be developed/manufactured for the machines to work. It happens to be one of my specialties.
It sounds like those changes are inevitable in the long run and irrelevant in the short term. You're also overly fixated on one specific job.
If you're trying to make that broader case that menial jobs might not exist some day that's a pretty compelling case for UBI, not for Randian economics.
11 Oct 2021, 1:44 am
funeralxempire wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?
I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.
That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.
Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.
Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.
If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.
Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.
Will the demand for groceries just vanish overnight? Last I checked everyone needs to eat and they prefer to do it more than once a day.
What can happen is that your stocker/checker will get replaced by a machine doing the exact same work. It may be expensive to set up initially, but it will pay for itself over time. No need for time off/benefits or overtime other then the occasional repairman bill. Robots do not need a living wage to exist on. Big corporations are already working on it for fast food locations. Being replaced by a machine is a real threat to many jobs in the future. Pushing job demands too far will only speed up the process for this to happen. Guess that changes the game a bit.
FYI: If that actually happens, my career would be safe. I will be making decent $ on the new materials for special nano-computer chips that will need to be developed/manufactured for the machines to work. It happens to be one of my specialties.
It sounds like those changes are inevitable in the long run and irrelevant in the short term. You're also overly fixated on one specific job.
If you're trying to make that broader case that menial jobs might not exist some day that's a pretty compelling case for UBI, not for Randian economics.
Many people who get jobs of this type also don't need or want a living wage out of them. Students, old people looking for a hobby job, etc. One solution is simply hire people who agree up front to this. Employers are under no obligation to hire anyone.
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funeralxempire
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11 Oct 2021, 10:13 am
If only insults made your position sound more reasonable.
11 Oct 2021, 10:15 am
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11 Oct 2021, 10:28 am
funeralxempire wrote:
If only insults made your position sound more reasonable.
Your position isn't reasonable at all. It's you with the faulty business model.
11 Oct 2021, 10:29 am
