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13 Dec 2021, 7:27 pm

AngelRho wrote:
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Young Millennials and Zoomers have a different relationship with work than previous generations, there's a real "I'm not going to bust my ass for you and hope you treat me well" attitude shift that frankly I approve of. I'm an old Millennial myself, and I've gone from being that good employee that went the extra mile and would go out of my way to help out to doing the minimum I can get away with over the years as I've gotten shafted over and over by employers who don't reciprocate my loyalty and extra efforts, and I've actually owned a business and seen what it's like from the other side of the paycheck.

I will fire them if they dont bust their butts at all times for me and those who dont go the extra mile will be fired since its my company.That kind of attitude does not work in the oilfield.


And they'll unionize and remove your ability to fire people.

Texas is a right to work state so they would be fired if the tried to unionize.


And who's going to do all the work? It's not like you're capable of doing all of the labour yourself and you might struggle to attract scabs after showing you're a petty, vindictive manager because why would anyone trust a boss like that?

We have young men that have drilled for us at all hours of the day and night for possibly 21 days on and 7 days off.


That sounds awful. Also, I can't imagine having over-worked sleep deprived workers is the best thing for productivity.

Well oil and gas requires working non-stop every day of the year or millions of dollars or billions of dollars would be gone and there would be no gasoline,diesel,jet fuel,plastics, or natural gas or propane.The oil and gas industry has operated like that ever since the first well was drilled in 1859.

Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.

Personally, I think if I'd started at a young age I might have adapted to it and enjoyed it. I'm good at repetitive tasks, have a high tolerance for pain, and am good at following instructions. Musicians typically are. :lol:

well I dont mean people in like us I mean just the average able-bodied millennial who is not disabled and is not on the spectrum.Thanks for the respect.



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13 Dec 2021, 7:29 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Young Millennials and Zoomers have a different relationship with work than previous generations, there's a real "I'm not going to bust my ass for you and hope you treat me well" attitude shift that frankly I approve of. I'm an old Millennial myself, and I've gone from being that good employee that went the extra mile and would go out of my way to help out to doing the minimum I can get away with over the years as I've gotten shafted over and over by employers who don't reciprocate my loyalty and extra efforts, and I've actually owned a business and seen what it's like from the other side of the paycheck.

I will fire them if they dont bust their butts at all times for me and those who dont go the extra mile will be fired since its my company.That kind of attitude does not work in the oilfield.


And they'll unionize and remove your ability to fire people.

Texas is a right to work state so they would be fired if the tried to unionize.


And who's going to do all the work? It's not like you're capable of doing all of the labour yourself and you might struggle to attract scabs after showing you're a petty, vindictive manager because why would anyone trust a boss like that?

We have young men that have drilled for us at all hours of the day and night for possibly 21 days on and 7 days off.


That sounds awful. Also, I can't imagine having over-worked sleep deprived workers is the best thing for productivity.

Well oil and gas requires working non-stop every day of the year or millions of dollars or billions of dollars would be gone and there would be no gasoline,diesel,jet fuel,plastics, or natural gas or propane.The oil and gas industry has operated like that ever since the first well was drilled in 1859.

Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.

Personally, I think if I'd started at a young age I might have adapted to it and enjoyed it. I'm good at repetitive tasks, have a high tolerance for pain, and am good at following instructions. Musicians typically are. :lol:

well I dont mean people in like us I mean just the average able-bodied millennial who is not disabled and is not on the spectrum.Thanks for the respect.

There are people who will pretend that's everyone.


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13 Dec 2021, 7:34 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Young Millennials and Zoomers have a different relationship with work than previous generations, there's a real "I'm not going to bust my ass for you and hope you treat me well" attitude shift that frankly I approve of. I'm an old Millennial myself, and I've gone from being that good employee that went the extra mile and would go out of my way to help out to doing the minimum I can get away with over the years as I've gotten shafted over and over by employers who don't reciprocate my loyalty and extra efforts, and I've actually owned a business and seen what it's like from the other side of the paycheck.

I will fire them if they dont bust their butts at all times for me and those who dont go the extra mile will be fired since its my company.That kind of attitude does not work in the oilfield.


And they'll unionize and remove your ability to fire people.

Texas is a right to work state so they would be fired if the tried to unionize.


And who's going to do all the work? It's not like you're capable of doing all of the labour yourself and you might struggle to attract scabs after showing you're a petty, vindictive manager because why would anyone trust a boss like that?

We have young men that have drilled for us at all hours of the day and night for possibly 21 days on and 7 days off.


That sounds awful. Also, I can't imagine having over-worked sleep deprived workers is the best thing for productivity.

Well oil and gas requires working non-stop every day of the year or millions of dollars or billions of dollars would be gone and there would be no gasoline,diesel,jet fuel,plastics, or natural gas or propane.The oil and gas industry has operated like that ever since the first well was drilled in 1859.

Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.

Personally, I think if I'd started at a young age I might have adapted to it and enjoyed it. I'm good at repetitive tasks, have a high tolerance for pain, and am good at following instructions. Musicians typically are. :lol:

well I dont mean people in like us I mean just the average able-bodied millennial who is not disabled and is not on the spectrum.Thanks for the respect.

There are people who will pretend that's everyone.

Ya I know but I know there are people that are not capable of working in the oilfield or a plumber or HVAC tech or business owner or ranch hand and I dont consider them entitled.



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13 Dec 2021, 7:35 pm

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Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.


Being a roughneck is hard, but has TMM300 ever done that part of the work or has he done other work related to that industry?

You guys really shouldn't waste your time debating with him.

I agree.I agree to disagree on this thread.



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13 Dec 2021, 7:46 pm

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Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.


Being a roughneck is hard, but has TMM300 ever done that part of the work or has he done other work related to that industry?

well actually I have been a roughneck and I had to go really high all the time.But I actually started out as a landman and lease broker and thats something I still do but I have worked 24/7 in the family oil company since I was a 19 pretty much.I work 24/7 in my family's enterprises.I am also a drilling scout and salesman in the industry.


Ah, I wasn't sure from what you had said before. That's a hard job.


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You guys really shouldn't waste your time debating with him.


I'm interested in understanding where he's coming from though. :?


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13 Dec 2021, 7:52 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Bear in mind that many people here have sensory issues that prevent them from being able to work in fields that are as strenuous as the oil drilling industry. I couldn't do what you do, so you have my respect. A lot of people here lack any concept of that. It's difficult sometimes to understand what seems to us slave labor is so rewarding. I have a stepbrother who works offshore. His family lacks for nothing.


Being a roughneck is hard, but has TMM300 ever done that part of the work or has he done other work related to that industry?

well actually I have been a roughneck and I had to go really high all the time.But I actually started out as a landman and lease broker and thats something I still do but I have worked 24/7 in the family oil company since I was a 19 pretty much.I work 24/7 in my family's enterprises.I am also a drilling scout and salesman in the industry.


Ah, I wasn't sure from what you had said before. That's a hard job.

Ya i remember did my first blue collar work when I mowed yards at 8.i know not every is capable of that either.I have also been a ranch hand and I am a butcher and deck hand on the side.Ya my roughneck job was really hard but I think my current job of landman and lease broker is harder mentally but thats just my personal perception but I know most people would find being a blue collar worker harder mentally.But I respect your opinion.But I do agree that in general millennials have it way worse economically than Baby Boomers and I lament the fact that the American dream is achieveable in places like Hobbs Carlsbad and Artesia and Roswell,New Mexico Texas and not the rest of the country.I think the baby boomers lied to us.



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13 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm

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You guys really shouldn't waste your time debating with him.


I'm interested in understanding where he's coming from though. :?

To answer your question I think its because my family has been working in the oilfield since the 1800's and where in small town Texas its the only way you will achieve the American dream and make 100,000 a year with no education pretty much.



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I think the baby boomers lied to us.


I agree, but I'm not sure they understood they were lying at the time. Americans and Canadians after WWII enjoyed the benefits of a very peculiar time that's unlikely to ever repeat. There's plenty of blame to go around but if we could actually focus on where to go from here (as in pragmatic solutions to the issues facing us) we'd be less focused on who's to blame for what.


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13 Dec 2021, 8:16 pm

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I think the baby boomers lied to us.


I agree, but I'm not sure they understood they were lying at the time. Americans and Canadians after WWII enjoyed the benefits of a very peculiar time that's unlikely to ever repeat. There's plenty of blame to go around but if we could actually focus on where to go from here (as in pragmatic solutions to the issues facing us) we'd be less focused on who's to blame for what.

Ya I agree.I think the main reason why Baby Boomers in America and Canada were abled to live the America dream was because Europe and Asia were destroyed in the war.I think the Baby Boomers on Wall Street and Corporate America and the people who took us off the gold standard and who promoted 401ks as a subsitute to pensions knew what they were doing.I think people like my teacher and educators who were like George Feeny and Mr. Turner in Boy Meets world really thought college was the be-all end-all for our generation.I think a lot of the Democatic and Republican politicians knew what they were doing when they shipped the jobs overseas.Another part of where I am coming from is because I have friends who live on like a dollar a day in other countries who would much rather live in Alaska than where they are now.Another part of where I was coming from because most of humanity lived in abject poverty by today's standards and our lives our much more comfortable in America than say the 1600's.However I am kind of different than that because i would give up modern life to live on the frontier in the 1800's or 1900's in a New York Minute.



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Personally I'm not convinced the gold standard was ever a positive, but I understand why the Austrian school and Ayn Rand fans favour it.


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13 Dec 2021, 8:54 pm

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Personally I'm not convinced the gold standard was ever a positive, but I understand why the Austrian school and Ayn Rand fans favour it.

ya I mostly a fan of the gold standard because of the whole wheel barrows full of worthless fiat currency thing in the 1920's in Weimar Germany.However I think Nixon may of thought going off the gold standard would only be a short-term thing.I think we are having stagflation because are we are off the gold standard but thats just my opinion and observation.



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Personally I'm not convinced the gold standard was ever a positive, but I understand why the Austrian school and Ayn Rand fans favour it.

ya I mostly a fan of the gold standard because of the whole wheel barrows full of worthless fiat currency thing in the 1920's.However I think Nixon may of thought going off the gold standard would only be a short-term thing.


It's not as though fiat currency doesn't also have drawbacks but I think there's a reason no serious economists are calling for a return to the gold standard. There seems to be as close to consensus on that matter as you'll likely find among economists which I'd say is a good reason to be skeptical.

Personally I'm not convinced currency needs to be backed (smart fiat policy can likely achieve the same results), but if it must be backed why not by energy? Given the way energy consumption closely correlates to other economic indicators energy might be a better thing to have backing currency although like I said, I'm not convinced it's necessary.


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13 Dec 2021, 9:19 pm

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Personally I'm not convinced the gold standard was ever a positive, but I understand why the Austrian school and Ayn Rand fans favour it.

ya I mostly a fan of the gold standard because of the whole wheel barrows full of worthless fiat currency thing in the 1920's.However I think Nixon may of thought going off the gold standard would only be a short-term thing.


It's not as though fiat currency doesn't also have drawbacks but I think there's a reason no serious economists are calling for a return to the gold standard. There seems to be as close to consensus on that matter as you'll likely find among economists which I'd say is a good reason to be skeptical.

Personally I'm not convinced currency needs to be backed (smart fiat policy can likely achieve the same results), but if it must be backed why not by energy? Given the way energy consumption closely correlates to other economic indicators energy might be a better thing to have backing currency although like I said, I'm not convinced it's necessary.

Well I remember my economics teacher said that all fiat currencies eventually fail.The American dollar is actually called the petrodollar because its backed by oil.I read that we made a deal with OPEC in the 70's to be on the petrodollar in exchange for keeping Israel from taking all their oil and gas because the Arabs got beat so bad in the 6 days War or whatever by Israel and they were scared to death of Israel and America needed to have something other than gold back our currency so they decided on the petrodollar and thats why the global financial system is backed by the petrodollar.Ironically I heard rise of wind and solar power and Tesla and EVs are threatening the existence of the petrodollar possibly in addition to other factors.Although it may be hundreds of years before the U.S.Dollar collapses.



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Specifically, petrodollars are US dollars spent on foreign oil. US currency isn't being backed by foreign oil, foreign oil is only really exchangeable for other goods once it's converted into USD. Many nations that sell oil are largely dependent upon that revenue stream in order to import much of anything else.

The way US dollars are used internationally is likely playing a role in keeping the US from hyperinflation, to some extent the USD replaced gold as the de facto standard.

An energy backed currency would be different from one based on a commodity from which energy can be extracted though.


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Specifically, petrodollars are US dollars spent on foreign oil. US currency isn't being backed by foreign oil, foreign oil is only really exchangeable for other goods once it's converted into USD. Many nations that sell oil are largely dependent upon that revenue stream in order to import much of anything else.

The way US dollars are used internationally is likely playing a role in keeping the US from hyperinflation, to some extent the USD replaced gold as the de facto standard.

Oh okay.Ya thats what I meant basically.The US has really enjoyed an unfair advantage by having the petrodollar as the word's best reserve currency.But really if we had to have a fiat currency I wish it could be something that had as low inflation as the Swiss Franc.