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27 Feb 2022, 12:40 am

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Oh okay. Well what I don't understand about left and right politics, is how does say the left decide on who's side they are on if that person ends up killing three people in self defense? Does someone high up in the democratic party decide if they will be on against this person, and then passes the word down, and then everyone else on the left, loyal to the democratic party follows, even if they do not personally agree?


Never kill a POC, and you should be fine with the Democrats, usually.
If you are going to kill someone, make sure they are white guys, but also make sure they aren't antifa white guys.
This was Rittenhouse's mistake. <satire> :mrgreen:


Lol but in all seriousness Rittenhouse killed three white guys and he still became an enemy of the democrats.


White guys protesting on behalf of black rights by a teen carrying a weapon most Democrats don't think should be legal to own.

However, I think the main factor is simple: who's alive, who's dead. Democrats tend to want to stand up for the deceased victims. You'll struggle to find examples that don't fit that simple rule.


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27 Feb 2022, 12:55 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Well what I don't understand about left and right politics, is how does say the left decide on who's side they are on if that person ends up killing three people in self defense? Does someone high up in the democratic party decide if they will be on against this person, and then passes the word down, and then everyone else on the left, loyal to the democratic party follows, even if they do not personally agree?


I think that it is worth pointing out that without all the investigation that fed into the trial, it was not knowable that this was a case of self-defense. There were some people claiming it was, and others claiming it was not. The witnesses on the scene seemed to mostly see Rittenhouse as an aggressor and perpetrator. It isn't fair to take a conclusion that was reached after a year of investigations and weeks of trial, and try to superimpose that on minds at the time of the event. What we know now is not what was known by anyone then.

At the time of the event, what was known was that two people were dead at Rittenhouse's hands, and another injured. It was known that he had shown up to a protest fully armed with a weapon most Democrats don't believe should even be legal to carry. I don't think ulterior political motives were needed for the term "murder" to get applied at that point in time. How did the Democrats decide who to be against at that point in time? The guy with the riffle who killed two people; the natural and obvious first reaction conclusion, really.

Even following the trail, there were many people who still felt the actions had been murder. They watched the same evidence the rest of us did, and reached a different conclusion than the jury did. When people are dead, it's human nature to want to place blame and have someone pay the price. As much as I do feel reporting and politics fed into the perceptions, the divided response would likely have existed regardless. I don't see how it could not have. Rittenhouse's trail was a difficult and nuanced case, and no one will ever be held responsible for two deaths. That result can be a hard truth for people to accept, even if it was the right result.


Oh okay. But even if the perception before the trial was different, it seems it hasn't changed much since, especially since you said people still want someone to be held responsible. But in a case of self defense, though, can't these same democratic people still take comfort in the fact, that in self defense, no one has to be held responsible because it was self defense, and that's okay?



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27 Feb 2022, 1:02 am

ironpony wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Well what I don't understand about left and right politics, is how does say the left decide on who's side they are on if that person ends up killing three people in self defense? Does someone high up in the democratic party decide if they will be on against this person, and then passes the word down, and then everyone else on the left, loyal to the democratic party follows, even if they do not personally agree?


I think that it is worth pointing out that without all the investigation that fed into the trial, it was not knowable that this was a case of self-defense. There were some people claiming it was, and others claiming it was not. The witnesses on the scene seemed to mostly see Rittenhouse as an aggressor and perpetrator. It isn't fair to take a conclusion that was reached after a year of investigations and weeks of trial, and try to superimpose that on minds at the time of the event. What we know now is not what was known by anyone then.

At the time of the event, what was known was that two people were dead at Rittenhouse's hands, and another injured. It was known that he had shown up to a protest fully armed with a weapon most Democrats don't believe should even be legal to carry. I don't think ulterior political motives were needed for the term "murder" to get applied at that point in time. How did the Democrats decide who to be against at that point in time? The guy with the riffle who killed two people; the natural and obvious first reaction conclusion, really.

Even following the trail, there were many people who still felt the actions had been murder. They watched the same evidence the rest of us did, and reached a different conclusion than the jury did. When people are dead, it's human nature to want to place blame and have someone pay the price. As much as I do feel reporting and politics fed into the perceptions, the divided response would likely have existed regardless. I don't see how it could not have. Rittenhouse's trail was a difficult and nuanced case, and no one will ever be held responsible for two deaths. That result can be a hard truth for people to accept, even if it was the right result.


Oh okay. But even if the perception before the trial was different, it seems it hasn't changed much since, especially since you said people still want someone to be held responsible. But in a case of self defense, though, can't these same democratic people still take comfort in the fact, that in self defense, no one has to be held responsible because it was self defense, and that's okay?


It's likely US law helped Rittenhouse's case. Had this trial been in another country he would likely be in jail rather than doing the talk show circuit talking up his chance of making millions from killing two people.



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27 Feb 2022, 1:24 am

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It's likely US law helped Rittenhouse's case. Had this trial been in another country he would likely be in jail rather than doing the talk show circuit talking up his chance of making millions from killing two people.


Context is important.
Ammmuuuuurian laws allowed Rittenhouse to defend himself.
End of story.

Perhaps you should change the laws there. :mrgreen:



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27 Feb 2022, 1:28 am

Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.

Also the Whoopie and the rest of celebritydom shouldnt call him a "racist" because, the guy tried for killing to two White guys, wasnt obviously motivated by "racism". And we cant get into his head to know his motivation. But his idiocy is manifest for all to see.



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27 Feb 2022, 1:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Well what I don't understand about left and right politics, is how does say the left decide on who's side they are on if that person ends up killing three people in self defense? Does someone high up in the democratic party decide if they will be on against this person, and then passes the word down, and then everyone else on the left, loyal to the democratic party follows, even if they do not personally agree?


I think that it is worth pointing out that without all the investigation that fed into the trial, it was not knowable that this was a case of self-defense. There were some people claiming it was, and others claiming it was not. The witnesses on the scene seemed to mostly see Rittenhouse as an aggressor and perpetrator. It isn't fair to take a conclusion that was reached after a year of investigations and weeks of trial, and try to superimpose that on minds at the time of the event. What we know now is not what was known by anyone then.

At the time of the event, what was known was that two people were dead at Rittenhouse's hands, and another injured. It was known that he had shown up to a protest fully armed with a weapon most Democrats don't believe should even be legal to carry. I don't think ulterior political motives were needed for the term "murder" to get applied at that point in time. How did the Democrats decide who to be against at that point in time? The guy with the riffle who killed two people; the natural and obvious first reaction conclusion, really.

Even following the trail, there were many people who still felt the actions had been murder. They watched the same evidence the rest of us did, and reached a different conclusion than the jury did. When people are dead, it's human nature to want to place blame and have someone pay the price. As much as I do feel reporting and politics fed into the perceptions, the divided response would likely have existed regardless. I don't see how it could not have. Rittenhouse's trail was a difficult and nuanced case, and no one will ever be held responsible for two deaths. That result can be a hard truth for people to accept, even if it was the right result.


Oh okay. But even if the perception before the trial was different, it seems it hasn't changed much since, especially since you said people still want someone to be held responsible. But in a case of self defense, though, can't these same democratic people still take comfort in the fact, that in self defense, no one has to be held responsible because it was self defense, and that's okay?


It's likely US law helped Rittenhouse's case. Had this trial been in another country he would likely be in jail rather than doing the talk show circuit talking up his chance of making millions from killing two people.


When you say other countries, you mean a jury would have likely voted guilty in other countries? But why is that though, or why are other cultures so anti-self defense, or so pacifist in comparison?



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27 Feb 2022, 1:35 am

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Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


Rittenhouse tried to run away.
I think the real "idiots" are the people who chased after a person with a rifle.

Don't smoke chase people with high powered weapons.
Not rocket surgery. 8)



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27 Feb 2022, 1:36 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


But I think it's fine to help protect one's friends property. I don't think there has to be a law that you can only protect property that you own, and cannot help friends out as a favor.



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27 Feb 2022, 1:48 am

Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


Rittenhouse tried to run away.
I think the real "idiots" are the people who chased after a person with a rifle.

Don't smoke chase people with high powered weapons.
Not rocket surgery. 8)


Rittenhouse is a lot like the guys he shot. Hooligans who found a social cause to justify being punks.

Am not as obsessed with the case as some. Dont know every detail. Still-Rittenhouse ran away from a situation that - he went to great lengths to put himself into. Rittenhouse could join the Ukrainian army right now - if he likes to travel to trouble spots, and wants to play with automatic rifles. I am sorry. I should say "if he wants adventure, and wants to use his gun for a holy cause".

Or (if he is a Trump supporter) maybe he should fight on the Russian side instead.



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27 Feb 2022, 2:39 am

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Also the Whoopie and the rest of celebritydom shouldnt call him a "racist" because, the guy tried for killing to two White guys, wasnt obviously motivated by "racism". And we cant get into his head to know his motivation. But his idiocy is manifest for all to see.


You are conflating two seperate issues. Prior to the shootings, Rittenhouse was part of a right wing militia who went armed into Kenosha with the specific intention of guarding property against BLM. This is what Whoopi is referring to as racist. Whether it was racist is debatable

His shooting the three men isn't/wasn't a racist attack. If Whoopi was quoted as saying that then its just more evidence she needs to hang up her boots.



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27 Feb 2022, 2:42 am

ironpony wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


But I think it's fine to help protect one's friends property. I don't think there has to be a law that you can only protect property that you own, and cannot help friends out as a favor.


He specifically wanted to "defend" against BLM, he's a supporter of blue lives matter so he took the position of the police in the matter of police brutality against black people. He wasn't doing anyone a favor and no business asked for his help,. What he did is called vigilanteism



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27 Feb 2022, 2:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


But I think it's fine to help protect one's friends property. I don't think there has to be a law that you can only protect property that you own, and cannot help friends out as a favor.


He specifically wanted to "defend" against BLM, he's a supporter of blue lives matter so he took the position of the police in the matter of police brutality against black people. He wasn't doing anyone a favor and no business asked for his help,. What he did is called vigilanteism


Bottom line:
If people didn't destroy property, there wouldn't have been a militia.
It ain't rocket surgery. 8)



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27 Feb 2022, 2:49 am

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


But I think it's fine to help protect one's friends property. I don't think there has to be a law that you can only protect property that you own, and cannot help friends out as a favor.


He specifically wanted to "defend" against BLM, he's a supporter of blue lives matter so he took the position of the police in the matter of police brutality against black people. He wasn't doing anyone a favor and no business asked for his help,. What he did is called vigilanteism


Bottom line:
If people didn't destroy property, there wouldn't have been a militia.
It ain't rocket surgery. 8)


True, but the militia did the right thing and leave. Infact the Kenosha militia behaved appropriately and did not try and escalate the situation.

Rittenhouse chose to remain to "protect property" while armed. That's still called vigilanteism last time I checked.



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27 Feb 2022, 2:53 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


But I think it's fine to help protect one's friends property. I don't think there has to be a law that you can only protect property that you own, and cannot help friends out as a favor.


He specifically wanted to "defend" against BLM, he's a supporter of blue lives matter so he took the position of the police in the matter of police brutality against black people. He wasn't doing anyone a favor and no business asked for his help,. What he did is called vigilanteism


Bottom line:
If people didn't destroy property, there wouldn't have been a militia.
It ain't rocket surgery. 8)


True, but the militia did the right thing and leave. Infact the Kenosha militia behaved appropriately and did not try and escalate the situation.

Rittenhouse chose to remain to "protect property" while armed. That's still called vigilanteism last time I checked.


Whatever he did, it wasn't deemed to be illegal in a court of law. 8)



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27 Feb 2022, 2:55 am

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Whatever he did, it wasn't deemed to be illegal in a court of law. 8)


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27 Feb 2022, 3:01 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...they should strike a deal between Rittenhouse and celebritydom.

Have all celebs agree to not refer to Rittenhouse as a "murderer", and to start referring to him as an "idiot".

Rittenhouse was put into a position where he had to defend his life, and he just happened to have an automatic rifle in his hand to defend himself.

But he was put into that position by himself, and had put that weapon into his own hands.

He traveled several hundred miles to attend the riot (as it were the opening night of a Broadway show)and took the automatic rifle with him in order to "defend property" he didnt own, and wasnt appointed to protect. So he was a dumb young pork head looking for trouble, who found trouble. So a criminal court may not be able to convict him of murder, but a civil court might well find him guilty of negligent homicide.


Rittenhouse tried to run away.
I think the real "idiots" are the people who chased after a person with a rifle.

Don't smoke chase people with high powered weapons.
Not rocket surgery. 8)


Rittenhouse is a lot like the guys he shot. Hooligans who found a social cause to justify being punks.

Am not as obsessed with the case as some. Dont know every detail. Still-Rittenhouse ran away from a situation that - he went to great lengths to put himself into. Rittenhouse could join the Ukrainian army right now - if he likes to travel to trouble spots, and wants to play with automatic rifles. I am sorry. I should say "if he wants adventure, and wants to use his gun for a holy cause".

Or (if he is a Trump supporter) maybe he should fight on the Russian side instead.


My assessment is that Rosenbaum was suicidal.
He got what he wanted, poor guy.

You aren't suggesting a 17 year old kid might do stupid things?
Are you serious? <satire> :mrgreen:

My assessment is that Rittenhouse was sorry he ever was part of a militia and would never do something that stupid ever again.
Time will tell. 8)