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08 Mar 2022, 3:26 am

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Are we supposed to wait for the economy to come around again for the Ukraine to win the war with Russia now?

We here are also busy with providing humanitarian aid and all kinds of resources to Ukraine.

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08 Mar 2022, 3:29 am

And that's good too, but that's not going to stop the invasion and Putin is not intimidated by humanitarian aid at all.

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08 Mar 2022, 3:35 am

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ironpony wrote:

Well it seems to me that no one wants to take on Russia because that would men nuclear war but is there any other way, or any other chance of possibly defeating their advancement? I mean you can't beat them with on ground fighting because they are a nuclear supowerpower, so what do you do then? Is there any way to kill Putin and his associates otherwise, that they wouldn't see coming as much?

The Cold War has been won with economy.

Indeed.

Russia is hurting with the sanctions.
Europe in particular needs to ween itself off Russian fossil fuels, even if it means Germany maintains the nuclear reactors that haven't been decommissioned yet.
What on earth was the turtle thinking?

Edit:
I just noticed I am repeating myself.

Meh.

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08 Mar 2022, 3:37 am

ironpony wrote:

And that's good too, but that's not going to stop the invasion and Putin is not intimidated by humanitarian aid at all.

I just heard promising news that Russia may be f****d.
It has recently lost so many high ranking officers, including 2 generals.

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08 Mar 2022, 3:47 am

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And that's good too, but that's not going to stop the invasion and Putin is not intimidated by humanitarian aid at all.

Agreed.
pootin doesn't give a crap how many Ukrainians he kills.

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08 Mar 2022, 3:58 am

Well instead of people donating money from all over the world to help you Ukraine, could an organization set up donations where we were donating mercenaries to assassinate Putin, or would no such donation organization fly at all?

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08 Mar 2022, 4:25 am

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I'm sure there are plenty of mercenaries hunting Putin right now. And not only him.
However, unlike humanitarian organisations and political parties, assassins don't welcome publicity.

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08 Mar 2022, 6:05 am

ironpony wrote:

There are loads of reasons why that is a bad idea. Ethical, practical, organisational, and epistemological.

Is arranging a contract killing ever justified? Most people would say no.

Who would facilitate the flow of money to a contract killer? Most fundraising sites have rules against that.

How do we know that anyone claiming to be a mercenary capable of killing a major world leader is who they say they are?

What happens if the assassins are foiled and captured? Would it spark an escalation of the war?

What happens if they succeed? Would Putin’s replacement be materially different? Would Russia back down, or double down?

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08 Mar 2022, 9:22 am

A very interesting analysis on Russian underwhelming performance in Ukraine:
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia- ... -quagmire/
TL;DR: Gargantuan corruption on every level.

A lesson for us: Transparency matters.

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08 Mar 2022, 10:25 am

The_Walrus wrote:

ironpony wrote:

What happens if the Russian government hacks that organization and eventually tracks down the donors and assassinates them?

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08 Mar 2022, 1:05 pm

Well if assassination of a leader is a good thing or not, I don't feel that its much different, been fighting the Army on the field, the only difference is you're going after the root instead of the branches. But it's still the same thing in terms of defending a nation,just more effective because you're going after the root instead.

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08 Mar 2022, 1:21 pm

magz wrote:

That was indeed interesting, thanks!
Will have to run it by my brother who is a recently (just before the pandemic years) retired US Army intel analyst.

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08 Mar 2022, 6:01 pm

Well what I don't understand about fighting wars is, if America gets involved they will probably just go to Ukraine and fight the battle there. The US has done this in other wars as well, such as the gulf war, Vietnam, WWII, etc. They always start out at fighting the pawns and try wanting to push their way up, instead of just go for the King/Queen first.

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08 Mar 2022, 6:11 pm

Not anymore. Just in line with how things went prior to the latest events.

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08 Mar 2022, 6:58 pm

magz wrote:

A very interesting analysis on Russian underwhelming performance in Ukraine:
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia- ... -quagmire/
TL;DR: Gargantuan corruption on every level.

A lesson for us: Transparency matters.

Sounds like the Nazi regime.

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08 Mar 2022, 7:15 pm

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The quality of food and housing in the Russian military is reportedly worse than in its prisons

This is close to the state of affairs when the Soviet Union collapsed.
I remember one incident where a Russian soldier cannibalised another one because he was starving.

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