how many free thinkers are here?

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Yes.

The Antichrist will bring the unity you seek.

In fact, he'll be the greatest unifier our planet has ever seen. Not a polarizing truth-teller, like Jesus, who admitted he was just that.

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I agree. If a man got ALL his opinions from a single book, then, regardless of what that book was, he'd not be able to function well -- if at all! It's a good thing there's no book that tells you not to get any opinion outside of itself. Such an exclusion of outside information is a defining element of cults. This is a somewhat dated statistic, but only around 3-4% of Americans read books (outside of school-required ones). But among Christians, the percentage is much higher. They are generally well-read people. Like my best friend, who, in his study of Scripture, has 9 full bookshelves, full of history, philosophy, and theology books, all of which he has read. He has become a true scholar in his pursuit of the truths of God.

And then, there's his former theology professor, Dr. John Warwick Montgomery, a conservative Christian who has 11 earned degrees, and practices as a barrister in England. His degrees are in philosophy, librarianship, theology, and law, and they include: the A.B. with distinction in Philosophy (Cornell University; Phi Beta Kappa), B.L.S. and M.A. (University of California, Berkeley), B.D. and S.T.M. (Wittenberg University, Springfield, Ohio), LL.B. (La Salle Extension University), M. Phil. in Law (University of Essex, England), Ph.D. (University of Chicago), Th.D Doctorat d'Universite (University of Strasbourg), LLM and LLD in canon law (Cardiff University). He also holds an honorary doctorate awarded in 1999 by the Institute for Religion and Law, Moscow.

Yet, he's very plainspoken, and humble in his approach to explaining his vast knowledge and wisdom. That's a true Christian: one who is both well-educated in Christ, and humbly helpful in his dealings with his fellow man.

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Right

The human race will only die when the universe runs out of energy (If we manage to keep bettering ourselves), the true enemy of humanity is Entropy.

An aspie antichrist?

I'd pay to see that.

Charming as usual, I see. Perhaps you should get a shirt on and practice some more neighbor loving.

The egomania is so enriching.

Makes me feel like I am trapped in some upper class party.

Free thinking is actually pretty simple, the only core criteria as far as I see it is did your own thoughts, analytics, and careful consideration of reality lead you to where your at? You could be really radical or you could be really conservative - its neither here nor there as much of the issue of how you arrived at your conclusions about life, politics, spiritual beliefs, etc.

They are rabid liberals or rabid anti liberals.

I don't know if it was 9-11 of just being the first time in like 50 years the republicans controlled the government or it's just that everyone has computers now so the flow of information has grown by leaps and bounds. Bush is really the first internet president.
The average person was just getting online in the late 90's.

people have learned so much about what is going on, they are flipping out about it and most are one issue voters, so they join the group that supports their veiw of that one issue and as long as that group is behind their isssue, that group can do no wrong on all the things they really don't care much about.

we also now live in a nation of welfare people, like half the population is getting some benefit from the government spending and the other half is paying.

It's not really in the form of direct payments, more like people benefiting from the spending. like the average parent pays less in taxes than the cost of the benefits they receive from the government, they benefit from government spending on education for their kids and don't even come close to paying enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefit they get.
The government is also a jobs machine and lots of people benefit by working for the nanny state.

yes we are more divided and it's more along the lines of who is paying and who is benefiting.

Half the nation is mooching off the other half and using the voting booth to do it. The mooches are livid that it's no longer so easy to use the voting booths to transfer wealth to them and the people that have been getting mooched off of are livid after learning so many people where mooching off them so much. they had no idea how many people where sucking off them.

Okay, again I'm going to say this:

You're acting like a child. Every single post you've put up after the first one has been a very angry one.
Every single one of your opinions sound angry and contrary for the sake of being contrary.
I assume that you don't believe we've landed on the moon, there is no Osama Bin Laden (it's a government ploy to distract the public, because who actually goes to Afganistan, right?), 9/11 was a government conspiracy to control its citizens, we regularly interact with beings from other planets and the government covers it up with some sort of MIB security, blah blah blah.


It seems all of your opinions are contrary for the sake of being contrary, and that you believe them because you think it makes you cool.

I'm not saying this is what you think, I'm simply stating that it's how you project yourself. Take the edge off, please.
In fact, some people have paid you compliments for the few valid points you made without sounding entirely enraged, myself included.
Take the anger nob and turn it down from 11 to about 3, okay?

I would just like to remind everybody of Godwin's Law in the event that our beloved snake decides to take that step as he seems so likely to do.

Maybe we should just answer the initial question: "How many free thinkers are here?" I'll to go with: 12. Ya, it's a random number. Any other guesses?

I still believe people go too far with their impulses, anger, arrogance, over emotional, selfish etc. Lack of self control is a problem (including myself). What AG convinced me of is that it is impossible to suppress all our urges, if we somehow did, we would be nothing, emotion-less robots, no life. The more we try to suppress our nature, the more likely our nature will manifest itself in other ways... often without realizing consciously.

So like it or not about how the state of the world is, it is human nature and will continue like this, maybe in the far future humanity will learn, but right now it doesn't seem plausible. I'm actually starting to believe that all the problems we are having with the world, will just come and go and society will continue and improve. Humanity will fix itself, it is in our nature to improve ourselves. People have screamed "it is the end of the world ahh!!" many times in history, but we are still here alive and kickin'.

I think it is important to be honest about myself, I'm a hypocritical arrogant cynic. I'm not happy about it and it just pisses people off and it is hard to control , at least I'm trying (even though Im not very good at it). I'm not using it as a crutch to make an excuse to be like this, if anything if I keep that thought in my mind it will make me more aware of my arrogance surfacing so maybe then I can grasp a little bit of control. I'm just trying to control the negative parts about me, It would be pointless to try to control every urge. If you want to use that against me, oh well.

Another thing, being angry at others and showing it will just cause others to try and defend themselves, either by ignoring you or flaming you. In effect your points will be lost. It is human nature to do so.

Anyways, I know nothing.

I don't believe in EVERY conspiracy, men did land on the moon (no conspiracy there), and it is **possible** that vatican leaders have had contact with aliens, but 9/11 WAS a conspiracy, it did several things for a police state agenda. It 1. Re-established blind faith in a system gone bad, 2. Built Bush up as wartime president, 3. Gave us an reason to highten security (including the Patriot Act and many surveilance tools on our society). Now lets not forget stealing the election, allowing Big Oil representatives to refuse to swear into their oaths on senate hearings which means they could have lied about anything, lets also not forget Bush blocking the investigation into 9/11. He tallies to rednecks with a "this is god's country" mentality, fanatic christian activists who are trying to push America into a theocracy by supporting laws and policies based around their personal beliefs. The writing is on the wall here.
I'm not flaming anyone (except 1 person), I'm just stating my point of view here. Yeah I flamed AG, I don't apologize for that because honestly I can't stand AG. I also have a difficult time with ignorant people who believe that religious bias should rule this nation with an iron fist and hypocritical "morality", although I am not accusing you without knowing you better gwenevyn, as you may not be one of those types. I was alittle suspect at first but I'll give anyone a fair chance to get along, you might be a cool person for all I know..... I just can't deal with ignorance though. I'm not trying to flame anyone (other than AG).

I also wouldn't be surprised if the CIA was hiding BinLaden, it is no secret that the Bush and BinLaden families, as well as the Bush and royal saudi's, all go way back in the oil business and have been longtime allies.
Iraq was just finnishing his daddy's work and an oil grab for money. Possibly a practice ground for our politicians on what they wish to accomplish here, possibly by 2013.

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I misunderstood you, so I apologize.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the CIA was hiding BinLaden, it is no secret that the Bush and BinLaden families, as well as the Bush and royal saudi's, all go way back in the oil business and have been longtime allies.
Iraq was just finnishing his daddy's work and an oil grab for money. Possibly a practice ground for our politicians on what they wish to accomplish here, possibly by 2013.