What is the "Quiverfull" movement?

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Based on what you have written, you have.
Re-read what I posted.

Perhaps you were simply being sloppy.
It happens to me from time to time, also. <shrug>

I accept what you say.



I am concerned there is a parallel to what happened in Nazi Germany.
My foundation point is that humans are humans with human psychology that can be manipulated.



As I have told you many times, I believe with Xi came "The Wolf Warrior Diplomacy".
Before Xi, the west believed China was heading towards democracy and there was no apparent threat.
I am happy to listen to what you have to say.




The connection with the thread is "Tribalism".
Nazi Germany embraced white supremacy tribalism.
I am concerned about Chinese nationalism following a similar path.
I am not the only one by far, in the west.
It is, after all, in keeping with human psychology.
The "Quiverfull" mentality is simply an aspect of human nature, imo.

I look at the broader picture which involves the human psyche.
I have a habit of looking at situations to a deeper level.
"Psychology" is one of my main hobbies.
It is only natural for me to view things from this perspective.

We can go down the path of: "Quiverfull is evil and should be condemned" (which I agree with, btw).
Or we can dig deeper into the phenomenon.

If my posts are not appreciated, please skip them.

"Quiverfull" sounds like an evil cult.
It should be condemned, as all such philosophies should be condemned.

This phenomenon is not exclusive to the "white" race.
Any reasonable person would agree, given the ample evidence that is available.

I see no reason why this couldn't be True, but aren't they a very small group of people?
Can you estimate their numbers?
Can you identify any high profile members who have a possible influence in political circles?



I don't think limiting access to TV is such a bad thing, in most instances.
It is "90%" crap after all, and full of propaganda and disinformation.
The intention to control the diversity of thought is the perversity.

This was the point I was making.
How influential are they?

Child abuse is not legal in Amuuria.
What is stopping the authorities from prosecuting these criminal activities?
Political correctness, as was the case in the UK?

In my posts on WP, you can find how my ritual abuse, through electronic harassment, put me in a "deep pit of despair" that I was trapped in for a decade. I eventually escaped that purgatory. I have never fully recovered, as one would expect, I haven't been suicidal for over36 years now, however.
There is hope beyond "Mind Rape".
Keep in mind, there are many who have been through this atrocity.

There are a lot of extreme, evangelical fundamentalists in America. They usually invest a lot of support into supporting far right conservatives, like Mike Huckabee, when they are campaigning rather than run directly for political office although Jim Bob Duggar was a member of the Arkansas House of Representatives at one point and ran to be a senator recently and failed.

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The thing is, though, that there are plenty of deep, philosophical issues that can be discussed about this religious movement alone that can’t be broached when one is discussing the goal some indigenous people have of keeping their genetics pure. While interesting, that’s rather different from the issues involved here. The motives are different.

Talking about relevant topics related to cults, especially fundamental Christian cults that are more closely related to the Quiverfull movement, is interesting from a psychological perspective, and it still relates to the general topic.

Corporal punishment is legal in America. There are certain lines that shouldn’t be crossed but are anyway. It’s really hard for people to know when a line has or hasn’t been crossed. I, personally, believe that all corporal punishment should be illegal.

If kids are being beaten in private in areas that are covered by clothing, it’s probably not going to get reported. Sometimes it is, though.

Regarding child sexual abuse, there have been numerous, high profile cases among quiverfullers, which is not surprising. Cults tend to struggle with that, especially if they like to sweep it under the rug in order to protect their reputation.

The arguments you present have nothing to do with Xi or even the PRC.
This type of education can lead to over-enthusiasm in the face of territorial integrity issues in the Chinese. But long before the PRC, this issue was where the Chinese had a lot of enthusiasm/anger.

I find you have some superstitions about psychology.
I wonder if you are being so careless in accusing black Americans, Native Americans or Polish of studying their history.

The rise of populist nationalism in China after 2015 was due to China’s improved economic status, while the United States was in relative decline.
This has dealt a fatal blow to the faction that previously unrealistically advertised "America is paradise" (aka "democratization" as you repeatedly proclaim, this faction makes me sick, thanks. It is they who preach the racial superiority of whites.) , and it has also created a rebellious mentality for those who feel that they have been deceived.

No amount of propaganda can affect huge crowd's perception of reality. That's nothing but fur.
Not to mention that you can't even meet the "teaching from childhood" condition here, it's just ten years.

We're talking about a country of 1.4 billion people, not a handful of lunatics like Quiverfull.

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Off-topic discussion inside.

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We will have to agree to disagree.

What I suspect might be happening is this thread being another "bash republicans" thread, as there have been in the past. I was hoping for a bit of balance.
I can't see that being a bad thing.

I would never vote for the republicans, btw.
I am simply interested in a Truthful and balanced assessment/discussion, free of hyperpartisanship.

I suspect that the issue might be that there is a lack of a sufficient knowledge base here. This is not about bashing Republicans. People who subscribe to this ideology campaign for those who are on the extreme right. Once those candidates are eliminated, they’ll settle for a normal Republican.

You can’t have a “balanced assessment” if you aren’t knowledgeable about the subject matter. This is not an insult. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable about uniquely Australian cults to give an appropriate assessment of them, not without a fair amount of research on the topic.

Given the nature of cults, I doubt that a “balanced assessment” is generally warranted since they are intrinsically extreme ideologies.

The "Quiverful Movement" seems to be tied in with "Replacement Theory", a white nationalist far-right conspiracy theory stating that white populations of European descent are being demographically and culturally replaced with non-European peoples -- specifically African, Asian, Slavic, and even indigenous populations -- through mass migration, demographic growth, and a drop in the white birth rate.

The conspiracy theory continues with claims that because white women have easier access to medical care, they can also have easier access to contraceptives (The Pill), home abortifacients (The Morning-After Pill), and family-planning services (abortions) than non-white women, leading to a steady decrease in the white population and a concomitant increase in the non-white population.

Further down this rabbit hole we encounter white supremacists who see women's reproductive rights as a direct threat to the continuation of the white race, and government-sponsored health care being responsible for the increase in non-white populations -- if foreign POCs being drawn to America for free health care, and citizen POCs having healthier babies that live longer.

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Looking into this mess has given me a whole new insight into the feeble-minded beliefs of the whole damned White Supremacy movement.  It has also given me a whole new set of concerns for the future of a civilization that weaponizes childbirth to hold on to white male privilege.

Change is inevitable, and if in a few hundred years there is no more distinctly "white" race, then so be it.