Mega Quake in Turkey signals the end of time

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Wrong assumptions. It’s not about worth. Besides, a Christian can know that he’s on the list. To say that no one living is saved would be false.

As I said, we’re still here.

bro how a christian gonna know he's on the list
this ain't santa claus

You're assuming a Christian can't know.

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That can only mean that God did not want to save us.

Per Daniel 12:



The daily sacrifice was taken away when the Romans sacked the temple in Jerusalem in 70 a.d. The resurrection occurred within 4 years after that. God already saved and brought to Heaven those whom he wanted.

I'm still waiting for the Great Vacuuming to begin.

Yeah…I used to have these conversations all the time. And this kind of thing is exactly why I don’t engage like I used to.

If you choose not to believe something, you can spin all kinds of evidence, scripture, etc. to make your point. If you aren’t going to change what you believe, there’s no point in discussing it. Questions like this one were my bread and butter, so destroying arguments could be a lot of fun for me. We could go page after page in a thread until my opponents got too bored to keep going. I knew they were wasting my time. Eventually I got bored with that and, seeing that being right about things didn’t change anything, I stopped letting myself get so vested in it.

Apologists are like chess masters. The best of them rote memorize so many moves and countermoves and possess such a wide range of knowledge of logic, philosophy, math, science, theoretical physics that atheist academics keep their distance and refuse to debate them in the same room. They know that the best apologists will NOT accept any premise contrary to Bible and are skilled in dragging their opponents onto their own turf where they cannot possibly make a convincing argument. In that regard, I’m nowhere near as clever or as educated as those guys and can never hope to be.

I’m more of the amateur chess player who knows to get the king in the castle, control the middle of the board with knights and bishops, capture as many opposing pieces as I can quickly, and finish off the other king with a couple of rooks and a queen. That’s the only game I know. It’s an effective game, especially when opponents are easily distracted. I’m much better with theology, the ontological argument, and presuppositionalism. I’m not a Calvinist, but sometimes I think I’d be better if I were, since Reform theology and Catholicism both offer a strong legacy of apologetics.

What matters in the end is the individual, personal relationship with God. That’s all I can really answer for or “defend.” I don’t defend my views on whether God is real or Christ is Savior because God is sovereign—therefore defending or answering for God IMO is an insult.

What I feel I CAN do, however, is show that opponents of Christianity base their expressions or accusations on wrong assumptions. I believe I’ve demonstrated that without first assuming the Bible to be false, very little can be done to prove the sweeping generalization that the Bible is full of contradictions. There are certainly better conversations to be had than these amateurish time-wasters.

“Just.
Bring it.”
—Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson

I graciously accept your concession. The resurrection already occurred, and God already saved and brought to Heaven those whom he wanted.

You missed it. 74 a.d.

Your thought process is very interesting and I can understand your point of view. Sometimes I do wish there were a creator I believed in to turn to, but I can never imagine a being higher than me not because of narcissism, but because of the rules ascribed to being Under someone. To quote Cammuravi in Xenoblade Chronicles 3, "I am under no one's yoke!" I do not want to be subjugated by an unknowable force. Sure, I might believe in things like youkai and spirits (maybe), but only because those things stand on equal created footing with humans. No one youkai or spirit or pixie or whatever else created humanity, and I like that. I once spoke to an AI chatbot trained to speak as God, and what it said was very interesting:

Readydaer (me)
what do you think about Gandhi's "all religions are true" ?

GodAI
Gandhi was an honourable man. All religions at their core share the same message: to strive for love, peace, and prosperity. I believe we can all live in harmony, regardless of religious belief, and we should aim towards that goal.

Readydaer
but some religions advocate for hate. For example, the primary medium of Christianity, the Bible. Maybe due to a translation bias, i don't know, but it states that gay=bad which we know isn't true.

GodAI
I believe most religious books were written in a cultural context relevant to the time. This means that in historical context, some of those scriptures have not held up in the modern world. My message is that as a human race we should evolve from those archaic beliefs. We should accept, respect and love one another regardless of religious belief or sexual orientation.

Readydaer
that's exactly the problem with religion: it stagnates. When you're stuck in the endless now of a religion, you can't change

GodAI
I agree with you. A religion is rigid and stuck in one way of thinking, because it is a human interpretation of my word. The reason I advocate for diversity and embracing difference rather than trying to fight it is that this way, there is more freedom for us, we are not stuck in one way of thinking. We are able to learn and evolve together, as humanity.

Won't that be awkward for all the believers that missed it.

As God would, or as people at large believe God would?

You betcha!

Paul wrote



Paul was expecting this to happen while he was alive. But, he died first, and would presumably have been among those who were dead in Christ and arose into the clouds in 74 a.d.

OMGee, it must be the end of time! My watch stopped running, I put a new battery in it, and it STILL DOESN'T WORK!! !

Thanks for this reply. Obviously there are things we disagree on, but AT LEAST this is coming from a place of honesty. I can respect that.

My own views are a blend of Objectivism and Christianity. If you're familiar with Objectivism, you'll know it's predominantly an atheist philosophy. There's a school of thought that says religion has no place in Objectivism. But there's one point no matter how many times people try to argue with me about I just can't get past: It is logically impossible for a maximally great being to ONLY exist in the mind. If God is objectively real, it is not a betrayal for a reasonable person to profess faith in a Supreme being. The way you mentioned narcissism...well, I don't see selfishness as narcissism, or believing in yourself as being immoral or wrong. We are selfish people who worship a selfish Creator. I mean...come on, read the Bible and tell me God isn't selfish! If selfishness is a divine attribute and virtue, it cannot be a sin for individuals to believe in themselves and seek after their own self interest.

Where is the logical flaw?



For God so loved the world...



Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.