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04 Apr 2023, 4:42 pm

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CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult. Don't confuse the two. Also don't confuse racism with Fascism, they are two different things.


But that's my point. Republicans can't tell the difference.
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05 Apr 2023, 6:14 am

cyberdad wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult. Don't confuse the two. Also don't confuse racism with Fascism, they are two different things.


But that's my point. Republicans can't tell the difference.
K1-K12 - No CRT
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Clearly, nobody is picketing outside US Colleges


I don't understand. If CRT is a cult it shouldn't be tought in schools altogether.



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05 Apr 2023, 4:45 pm

Dengashinobi wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult. Don't confuse the two. Also don't confuse racism with Fascism, they are two different things.


But that's my point. Republicans can't tell the difference.
K1-K12 - No CRT
COllege - CRT

Clearly, nobody is picketing outside US Colleges


I don't understand. If CRT is a cult it shouldn't be tought in schools altogether.


One of the the claims from republicans is how woke education is creating weak minded left wing socialists. I'm guessing the left in the US is much the same as in Australia. They still live in predominantly white suburbs, go to white schools, work in predominantly white employment areas and marry people like them. All that's different is they might appreciate other cultures. probably travel more and openly declare they are allies.

I struggle to see how it's destroying "white" culture?



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06 Apr 2023, 9:38 am

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CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult.


Can you substantiate this assertion or should we just take your word for it?


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06 Apr 2023, 10:34 am

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CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult.


Can you substantiate this assertion or should we just take your word for it?


I've explained repeatedly here on WP that CRT is based on he postmodernist and neo-marxist Frankfurt school of philosophy. I believe that both Marxism and postmodernism are harmful ideological systems that resemble cults, quite successful cults at that. Now do I need to explain why Marxism and postmodernism are harmful cults?



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06 Apr 2023, 11:04 am

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They have, a majority of white Americans have at least one slave ancestor. There's a famous case where a white supremacist leader who was so confident of his ancestry ended up having a rude shock



If it can happen to Cobb then it tells me the further back your ancestry goes in America, the more likely you'll bump into a slave in your family treee


I remember that one. He later disputed the accuracy of the test - not without basis as it turns out and had other DNA tests done that showed he was a rather more boring mix of various European ethnicities.

Cobb, however, did not accept the DNA ancestry result presented by Goddard, explaining to a Daily Mail reporter that he had “agreed to the test because I assumed it was science.” In the show’s aftermath, however, he described the AncestrybyDNA test, provided by the company DNA Diagnostics Center (DDC), as “a scientifically bankrupt procedure,” used by the TV show to “promote multiculturalism.”3In another interview with the Village Voice, Cobb labeled DDC a “shlock company” on account of their low-resolution genetic analysis and bad Internet reviews, and stated his intention to have his DNA reanalyzed by more reputable companies.4 A test provided by the business AncestryDNA (a subsidiary of Ancestry.com, and today the leading provider of DNA ancestry tests globally) gave Cobb the result he was looking for: 100% European ancestry, including 57% “Europe West,” 34% “Ireland,” and various smaller percentages attributed to “Scandinavia,” “Iberian Peninsula,” “Great Britain” and “Europe East.”


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06 Apr 2023, 11:32 am

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Strangely they did not test the descendants of slave owners to see if they were related to any of them. Any person that thinks that statistics do not lie should have their head examined.


They have, a majority of white Americans have at least one slave ancestor. There's a famous case where a white supremacist leader who was so confident of his ancestry ended up having a rude shock



If it can happen to Cobb then it tells me the further back your ancestry goes in America, the more likely you'll bump into a slave in your family treee


I have no doubt my ancestors included slaves of some sort from 500 years ago, or a 100,000 for that matter.

Apparently, you missed my point entirely.

My point my recent slave owning ancestors did not have any offspring with black people contrary to your narrative.

Granted, I think one of my ancestors who was probably an indentured servant to a black person that gives me a relation to one or two black people in the US but it is on the wrong side of the family.

Few people have ancestors that had slaves. If you asked for a show of hands you would be hard pressed to find one. I am the rare occurrence and my ancestors probably worked harder and lived worse than the couple of slaves they had.

That is purely conjecture as anyone who lived back then is long forgotten. Nothing you write can be remotely accurate because it is based on politics of some weird sort.



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06 Apr 2023, 9:03 pm

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That is purely conjecture as anyone who lived back then is long forgotten. Nothing you write can be remotely accurate because it is based on politics of some weird sort.


You do realise the irony of this point? race is a construct developed/designed based on politics and the social morays of the time.

As with other constructs people don't have to be cognisant of their ancestry to fit into a projected mindset (group think). White people in the western world live in groupthink when it comes to ethnicity.

While Jim Crow Americans, South African whites, the Nazis and European royalty might check your bloodlines/pedigree for an ancestor who wasn't European, the majority of us "pass". If we look like a duck, quack like a duck and waddle like a duck then by consensus we are a duck.



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06 Apr 2023, 9:20 pm

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I remember that one. He later disputed the accuracy of the test - not without basis as it turns out and had other DNA tests done that showed he was a rather more boring mix of various European ethnicities.
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I accept DNA tests have questionable accuracy. However Cobb's original test was not just based of "frequency" it was also based on presence of sub-Saharan markers.

According to data from UCLA when examining DNA test results posted from members of Stromfront (a far right white supremacist website) about 2/3 of their members who had DNA tests did find black ancestors.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/16/whi ... stry-test/

This is in line with the wider American population. The frequency varies on average from 1-2% in most white people to many who are in the region of 5 to even as high as 20% (I think 20% is the magic number where it becomes problematic to hide one's African origins).

But as I already mentioned, membership is based more on group think > purity
When anti-civil rights mobs cheers for J Edgar Hoover as a champion of segregation it never enters their heads he comes from a community in rural America that were made up of escaped runaway slaves. Strom Thurman was another champion of segregation movement in the US was secretly financing the education of his illegitimate black daughter,

When young white men in the 1970s had posters of Carly Simon or Heather Lockyer it never entered their heads that both women had recent black ancestors.

The recent lynching of young black men in the south I am sure the victims weren't pleading with their killers to think of their own black ancestors. It wouldn't have mattered.



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06 Apr 2023, 10:00 pm

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They were right that facism would come wrapped in the american flag idk who they is exactly in this context but someone said it and seems like they weren't wrong.

There is an anarchy in the U.K song, so where is the Fascism in the U.S.A song? I know though it is the christofasicts making things this way, hopefully they loose hardcore in the 2024 election.


Didn't 8 million more ppl vote for the Democrats in the last election?
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07 Apr 2023, 8:20 am

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When young white men in the 1970s had posters of Carly Simon or Heather Lockyer it never entered their heads that both women had recent black ancestors.

The recent lynching of young black men in the south I am sure the victims weren't pleading with their killers to think of their own black ancestors. It wouldn't have mattered.

It's well know in the US that Heather Locklear is a Lumbee Indian in fact Locklear is a typical Lumbee surname. Lumbee have significant African ancestry.

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2020/12/02/5-things-know-lumbee-indian-tribe/6452596002/


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07 Apr 2023, 11:35 am

Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult.


Can you substantiate this assertion or should we just take your word for it?


I've explained repeatedly here on WP that CRT is based on he postmodernist and neo-marxist Frankfurt school of philosophy. I believe that both Marxism and postmodernism are harmful ideological systems that resemble cults, quite successful cults at that. Now do I need to explain why Marxism and postmodernism are harmful cults?


You've provided an explanation, but it wasn't very compelling and didn't prove your point.

That's my point.

Your opinion might be that all these schools of thought you disagree with are cults, but your own ideology appears to be just as much of a cult as what you condemn.


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07 Apr 2023, 11:36 am

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cyberdad wrote:
When young white men in the 1970s had posters of Carly Simon or Heather Lockyer it never entered their heads that both women had recent black ancestors.

The recent lynching of young black men in the south I am sure the victims weren't pleading with their killers to think of their own black ancestors. It wouldn't have mattered.

It's well know in the US that Heather Locklear is a Lumbee Indian in fact Locklear is a typical Lumbee surname. Lumbee have significant African ancestry.

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2020/12/02/5-things-know-lumbee-indian-tribe/6452596002/


The Lumbee chased the Klan out of their county at the Battle of Hayes Pond.


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07 Apr 2023, 3:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult.


Can you substantiate this assertion or should we just take your word for it?


I've explained repeatedly here on WP that CRT is based on he postmodernist and neo-marxist Frankfurt school of philosophy. I believe that both Marxism and postmodernism are harmful ideological systems that resemble cults, quite successful cults at that. Now do I need to explain why Marxism and postmodernism are harmful cults?


You've provided an explanation, but it wasn't very compelling and didn't prove your point.

That's my point.

Your opinion might be that all these schools of thought you disagree with are cults, but your own ideology appears to be just as much of a cult as what you condemn.


It's not my job to convince you about anything.



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07 Apr 2023, 4:18 pm

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It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.

We're talking about your ideas. Your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny and when this is pointed out your defence (at least today) appears to be a 100% concession that your ideas can't be defended.

Whether or not it's your job, if you can't make a compelling case to anyone except fellow followers of the faith, consider the possibility that your claims aren't as valuable or convincing as you'd like them to be.

CRT is a cult because my cult says so.

Cool story bro.


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07 Apr 2023, 4:54 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.

We're talking about your ideas. Your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny and when this is pointed out your defence (at least today) appears to be a 100% concession that your ideas can't be defended.

Whether or not it's your job, if you can't make a compelling case to anyone except fellow followers of the faith, consider the possibility that your claims aren't as valuable or convincing as you'd like them to be.

CRT is a cult because my cult says so.

Cool story bro.


Whatever.