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23 Oct 2023, 5:09 pm

there is a good chance i would not have been born as my present self [at least with my mother] if she had been forced to have a child in 1949.

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23 Oct 2023, 5:25 pm

It is not a moral concern, except in some cases where the mother herself will weigh her own conscience.
Some women are very troubled by the morality of it.
If they want to view it through a moral lens, that's their right.

Whether God and heaven exist or not, it is not a moral issue just like having sex is not a moral issue.
If God and heaven exist, they will love and accept the fetus unconditionally when it dies.
They will understand the mother's reasons or need.

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24 Oct 2023, 3:54 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I do believe there are careless women who don't treat abortion seriously as an ethical issue and have an attitude to match, i.e "I don't care if I get pregnant, I'll let someone handle it for me if an unwanted pregnancy happens".

I don't see how that's a moral issue; at most it seems like an issue of not considering the future.

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"I don't see how that's a moral issue"

That's because it isn't one. And I'm not about to let some guy with a cross in his pfp try to sell me shame for what is actually a perfectly ethical medical procedure, and you shouldn't either.

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What I do with my uterus is nobody’s business but my own. :ninja:

I don’t give a f**k what society thinks. My body my choice.

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24 Oct 2023, 5:24 pm

Barchan wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't see how that's a moral issue; at most it seems like an issue of not considering the future.

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"I don't see how that's a moral issue"

That's because it isn't one. And I'm not about to let some guy with a cross in his pfp try to sell me shame for what is actually a perfectly ethical medical procedure, and you shouldn't either.

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What I do with my uterus is nobody’s business but my own. :ninja:

I don’t give a f**k what society thinks. My body my choice.

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i wasn't trying to sell shame.

Obviously you have some bigotry going on in the direction of Christians, being that you unnecessarily mention my profile picture.

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25 Oct 2023, 5:33 pm

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The relevant question is when the body is joined with the soul; that's when it becomes a sin to kill the body. Before that moment, it's no more a sin to kill the body than it is to kill a mosquito, because it lacks the animating spirit that distinguishes people from other forms of life.

Indeed, ignoring or denying the pivotal importance of that moment is tantamount to denying the power of the Holy Spirit, which Scripture tells us is the only unpardonable sin.

Now, with that established, the question becomes "when"? We know, from Jeremiah 1:5, that our souls have always existed from the beginning of time. So the so-called "moment of conception" that some want to insist on has no relevance here; the claim that it does is nothing more than the subordination of the clear message of Scripture to a degenerate secular agenda.

Indeed, from the fact that baptism is necessary (though not sufficient) precondition for salvation, we know that the joining of the soul with the body must be at birth, since if it were any moment before then Hell would be full of the souls of miscarriages, stillbirths, and other spontaneous terminations. And we know that's not the case because God is love.

I found this to be an interesting criticism of the anti-choice position favoured by many Christians.

TL;DR: Antichoice ideology is built atop of a grave sin.

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28 Oct 2023, 2:21 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

Barchan wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't see how that's a moral issue; at most it seems like an issue of not considering the future.

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"I don't see how that's a moral issue"

That's because it isn't one. And I'm not about to let some guy with a cross in his pfp try to sell me shame for what is actually a perfectly ethical medical procedure, and you shouldn't either.

TwilightPrincess wrote:

What I do with my uterus is nobody’s business but my own. :ninja:

I don’t give a f**k what society thinks. My body my choice.

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i wasn't trying to sell shame.

Obviously you have some bigotry going on in the direction of Christians, being that you unnecessarily mention my profile picture.

Well, sorry blitzkrieg, but with a username/pfp combo like that I think it's natural that some of us are gonna assume some things, lol

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28 Oct 2023, 2:36 pm

MushroomPrincess wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Barchan wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't see how that's a moral issue; at most it seems like an issue of not considering the future.

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"I don't see how that's a moral issue"

That's because it isn't one. And I'm not about to let some guy with a cross in his pfp try to sell me shame for what is actually a perfectly ethical medical procedure, and you shouldn't either.

TwilightPrincess wrote:

What I do with my uterus is nobody’s business but my own. :ninja:

I don’t give a f**k what society thinks. My body my choice.

Respect

i wasn't trying to sell shame.

Obviously you have some bigotry going on in the direction of Christians, being that you unnecessarily mention my profile picture.

Well, sorry blitzkrieg, but with a username/pfp combo like that I think it's natural that some of us are gonna assume some things, lol

I understand that people might make assumptions about my profile picture, being that it is a rather obvious Christian symbol, but what is the deal with my username?

It seems fairly innocuous to me. It just means "lightning war" in German - a military tactic.

I'm not sure how that would lead to me selling shame on the topic of abortion?

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28 Oct 2023, 3:08 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

but what is the deal with my username?

It seems fairly innocuous to me. It just means "lightning war" in German - a military tactic.

lol

[satire]guys i said sieg heil in a yt video and now everyone's mad at me, what's with that? it's just german for hail victory[/satire]

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28 Oct 2023, 3:18 pm

MushroomPrincess wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

but what is the deal with my username?

It seems fairly innocuous to me. It just means "lightning war" in German - a military tactic.

lol

[satire]guys i said sieg heil in a yt video and now everyone's mad at me, what's with that? it's just german for hail victory[/satire]

Not really a fair comparison.

Having a military tactic as a name isn't the same as being recorded shouting NSDAP slogans.

I can understand how that sort of username might lead one to expect the poster to be far-right (especially the combination of username and avatar), but it's not nearly the same as what you're comparing it t now.

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28 Oct 2023, 5:14 pm

I don't consider myself far-right. I have voted Labour, the most left-wing party in the UK for the past couple of elections.

Hmm, I may have to change my avatar in this case.

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28 Oct 2023, 5:32 pm

You should only change if you want to not because you feel you should for other people.

I've been accused of being a racist in my last place of work and I could only think that it was because I had a very close buzz cut and because I wore doc marten boots.

I actually feared for my life at one point because the person who accused me was really threatening towards me.

Did I change my appearance? Not a f*****g chance.

People sometimes throw in personal remarks because they don't like what you have to say and it's their way of making you feel bad about yourself.

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28 Oct 2023, 5:40 pm

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I know what you mean - but I don't particularly want to cause trouble here, even inadvertently, or to give the wrong impression of being ultra right wing.

I made my username 12 years ago when I was watching a lot of world war two videos and reading about the whole thing. It wasn't anything to do with being far-right.

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28 Oct 2023, 6:13 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

I made my username 12 years ago when I was watching a lot of world war two videos and reading about the whole thing. It wasn't anything to do with being far-right.

There's so many people who are both interested in and sympathetic to the third reich that it's hard to not be viewed as also sympathetic when one is only interested in.

It's not always fair, but the Wehraboos ruined it for anyone else.

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28 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I made my username 12 years ago when I was watching a lot of world war two videos and reading about the whole thing. It wasn't anything to do with being far-right.

My grandfather fought in world war two against the Nazis. I am certainly not a Nazi sympathiser.

I just had to look up the term "Wehraboos" as I didn't know what they were. :lol:

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09 Nov 2023, 7:19 pm

Thankfully republicans at all levels miscalculated how much Americans want reduced human rights, freedoms, and availability of healthcare and they're losing at the ballot boxes for it: https://www.facebook.com/aikhahfds/post ... tid=zDhOQc

Never know.. if the orange criminal is on the federal ballot next, he could lose simply based on this one issue despite his ride or die cult members not caring about any of his wrongdoing.

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