"Groomer" is such a gross word omg

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I'm the OP, I know what my thread is about. It's about right wingers not knowing what words mean (or rather frequently, knowing what words mean, but taking advantage of the fact that their liberal friends probably haven't put that much thought into it)

"Words mean things" is the hill I am prepared to die on. Hell, it's my blood-drenched Golgotha. I'll disembowel the Motte and strangle the Bailey with the entrails, and I'm surprised that I'm standing alone here...? I mean, hello, autism website? Isn't clear and unambiguous communication supposed to be, like, one of our values or something?

In the last post I am basically agreeing with you about "Grooming" being misused by right wingers. We just got into the left-wing misuse because you asked for an example.

As an autistic, I get your frustration. I would be less frustrated if nondictionary meanings were not used, but we do live in an NT world where terms are implied and expected to be understood and accepted as such. Maybe because I am interested in words and phrases that are weaponized for political purposes or maybe because I am "less autistic" than you
I am somewhat more accepting of this than you. But you used "right winger", a term whose meaning has been expanded and weaponized(LOL).

None of us are "more autistic" or "less autistic" than anyone else. Functioning labels are a myth. We're just autistic. The people we traditionally consider 'high functioning' are really just the ones who had privileges that I didn't have. You aren't less autistic than me and honestly that's a profoundly offensive and ignorant statement to be making on -- and again, it's insane that I have to remind people of this -- an autism website.

And I'm using the term "right winger" because fascists don't like being called fascists. I'm calling them what they claim they want to be called and you're making fun of me for it. I think I'm done with this conversation, you aren't here to learn anything, you're here to stir the pot. The Hunter's Soup that is American political discourse has put a foul taste in my mouth and I need to brush my teeth with some Jaeger.

P.S. Something I've noticed is that ESL speakers, and especially neurodivergent ESL's, very commonly know the "technically correct" definitions of words better than native English speakers, because ESL speakers have to know better. A very wise indigenous American once said -- And I really wish I could remember the source of this quote, because all I can do is roughly paraphrase what she said -- "I urge every Native to master the English language. Completely master it, you must be perfectly literate, and know every meaning of every word better than any white man, so that he can't cheat you by using a word you don't understand." Just something to think about.

What does any of that have to do with your original challenge to provide you with examples of left wing people playing language games? Not that most of your posting is particularly coherent, but this was a pretty simple and straightforward exchange.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I've met high functioning autists from lower class backgrounds and barely verbal ones from very privileged homes, the idea that there is no such thing as levels of impairment (an autistic spectrum, if you will), or that those that exist are entirely due to relative privilege, is profoundly ignorant. It's very visible on this website, it's impossible to miss if you've ever run an in person AS group, and it's right there in the ASD label on the medical diagnosis, but if you'd prefer to use some sort of tumblr theory of AS...



LOL, clown word.



Claims to be a "language nerd", thinks that the "technically correct" meaning of words somehow trumps actual colloquial usage; something doesn't add up here.

If an autism forum is not the place to discuss what is autism is I do not know what the right place would be. I know I am not in agreement with most on this issue. Further explanation is needed. I am using “more” or “less” as descriptive labels not as functioning labels. Some people are naturally more left handed than others that are left handed. Some people are more introverted than other introverts. We still call them left handed or introverts. Very few seem to get offended by this. But with autism it is different. The Neurodiversity movement advocates accepting diversity why should it be that the idea that some autistics are naturally wired with stronger autistic traits then others be considered offensive?

Functioning labels are questionable because one person can have the same strength of autistic traits as another but can not function as well as that other person because of environment they are surrounded by such as a lot of noise, fluorescent lights, family that expects and demands strong understanding of non verbal language and hidden meanings. What I meant by me being “less autistic” is I think I am somewhat more adoptable to colloquial terminology than you. That is an observation, not a judgement.

“yeah, I see what you're saying, but no, you're wrong,”

"Well, I know that communism means the working class seizing the means of production and reallocating wealth with the intention of dissolving the upper and lower classes into one Proletariat, but in the context of American politics it means people who voted for Biden. Sorry I'm not as autistic as you :^)"

Mods, can you please tell ASPartOfMe to stop gaslighting me?

This comment would suggest you believe ASPartOfMe claimed to be more autistic - which he didn't.



I firmly believe ASPartOfMe believes everything he wrote, so if we are being linguistically correct it's not gaslighting.

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance."

Can any of what he's saying be attributed to ignorance? If he has access to Wrongplanet then he has access to Wiktionary, he has access to Google, all the same tools I have. If he's a student, he has access to a campus library. If he's not a student, websites like libgen, archive.org, annas-archive, anarchistlibrary.... Even homeless people (side note: i've been homeless) in major cities can find their local Food Not Bombs chapter, FNB are great, there's always at least one guy at those meetings who will talk your ear off about Kropotkin if you let him. And I do let them. Those are the Americans I respect.

Mountains of literature published in the last two centuries on this subject, and I would be glad to recommend some books on communism, marxism/leninism (not stalinism though ew) anarcho-syndicalism, antifascism. Notice how nobody is asking me for book recommendations. Again, no one's here to learn. Maybe I'll start assuming good faith from the peanut gallery when I see literally any sign of it.

As far as belief is concerned though, yes, I'm sure that he "believes" the things he says, and I'm equally certain that "belief" doesn't mean the same thing in his proud patriotic American dialect that it does in my heathenish em-muh-grint thieves' cant. Words mean different things in exceptionalist America, I think that's been pretty well established.

^ Sorry, I'm not going to unpack all that, I was trying to help you out with what I saw as a misunderstanding, I'm not going to debate you on it. I don't think I have ever seen anyone have a go at ASPartOfMe, he's what I'd class as a model citizen on WP.

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I hate band wagon posting, but ASPOM is a class act and should be recognized as such.

I'll never be a "model citizen" and I'm okay with that. Popularity contests are for the NT's; I'm here to slice through misinformation in a room full of guys who seem particularly susceptible to it. That's all. For what it's worth you're okay, you seem like one of the good ones. Two other guys in this thread feel like they're just one beer away from telling me to go back to my country, but maybe that's just my own trauma from post-9/11 islamophobia that I'm projecting onto them.

Like two sticks in a bundle.

I'm hardly one of the good ones but thanks anyway. I can assure that Dox47 & ASPartOfMe are not racist, and I have no idea if what you are feeling is projection or something else. Likewise, I don't know how you would even work out if your past traumas are causing you to project.

I don't think Dox & me have much in common tbh, he appears to use WP for intellectual debate to try and change minds and I use it to dick about